Building AIE: Open Q&A and Feedback Session with swyx

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00:12Hi everyone.
00:13Uh I'm Swix.
00:14I'm one of the organizers of this conference.
00:16Um basically this is one of these open-ended Q&A feedback sessions.
00:22If you guys have feedback or Q&A about how any of this conference is run, uh I'm the guy to answer everything.
00:30We actually really do take the feedback and implement it at our next conference.
00:35Uh we're going to announce that we're back here a year from now in 2027 as well as in New York uh which is our next conference immediately focused on finance
00:45and anything money and AI.
00:48Um so this kind of very open-ended.
00:51If you have questions, we'll do it.
00:52If no questions, I'm just going to end early.
00:54So, over to you.
00:56Anyone has questions?
00:57Yeah.
01:04So, uh let me let me refra uh let me paraphrase so I can people hear.
01:08Uh what about an AI safety or existential risk track next year?
01:11Um that usually happens in Ligh Haven up north in Berkeley.
01:15Um I would say that uh typically it is not so much engineering.
01:21Um I would say that typically it is a form of like discussion and research and theory that uh we typically don't put as a track.
01:32Uh because mostly I want people to do stuff that they would use at work.
01:36That's like kind of my dividing line.
01:38Um that said, we're very pro people organizing their own uh meetups.
01:42We have places to for uh attendees to present uh which I think is very important for people to speak.
01:49Um we'll have other venues like uh for example we also did not have AI for science this year and obviously science is a thing that a lot of people do for work.
01:57Uh but people just organized meetups.
01:59There was an AI for science meetup and there was there's there can be a meetup or X-risk.
02:03Um I'm familiar with it.
02:04I'm a little bit of a doomer.
02:06I have I've said this before in my public statements.
02:08Uh, it is just not the purpose of an AI engineer to help with that.
02:13Yep.
02:14[laughter]
02:17Hello.
02:18Sorry.
02:19Okay, we're on.
02:20Um, I guess my only response is that I almost think it should be the job of the AI engineers as much as anyone else to be considering this sort of like
02:29ongoing loop machine that we're now talking about building and sort of considering okay, what is the endg game of that?
02:35But yeah, thank you.
02:36Yeah to to totally and obviously it's not something that I'm people are aware of it there's a whole security track there's a sandboxing track uh you know there there's
02:46this appears in a lot of our work like if you have any guardrails if you have any evals um our eval track open with labs we're actually a very safety aligned company but they they do vending bench
02:59um and through vending bench and through frontier evals that involve the real world they actually discover way more alignment issues than people who just vaguely talk about X- risk,
03:09right?
03:10Like so to me it's like very interesting to directly point towards a thing that people do at work and the thing that is like leading in the frontier and along the way solve alignment or solve X- risk.
03:21Um I think at the end of the day the statement that engineers uh AI can be engineered or engineers can wield AI and control AI in the systems is fundamentally a control structure over AI anyway.
03:32Um, so everyone here is like philosophically aligned to it without necessarily having to put it front and center.
03:40Uh, first of all, first of all, uh, great event.
03:45Uh, and I have not so much of a question as, uh, maybe a bit of feedback.
03:50Do you think, uh, the expo, the expo itself, uh, like maybe four days is too much?
03:56No. Uh, do you think so?
03:58Yeah.
03:59Yeah.
03:59Yeah.
03:59I think it's uh kind of pretty like it was kind of half that today almost.
04:05I would also like think maybe just have a one just fully dedicated day to just like partners on like some networking events and just like session and so maybe one day
04:16like conference style and workshops only and maybe have the expo only for two days u I mean you know
04:23yeah okay um I'm not sure that everyone would agree
04:27um and that's the first thing the second thing is actually I had complaints that there was not enough expo
04:33[laughter]
04:35Uh, so the the structure of the conference is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
04:38The expo only opened at 4 PM on Monday.
04:41And I had people asked me how come it wasn't open on Monday the whole day, you know.
04:48Um, all I will say is as long as people staff the expo and and stuff happens and sponsors pay for it, I'm very happy keeping it open.
04:56Uh I actually think world's fair is different from my other summits in a sense that summits are meant to be very curated and focused on content.
05:05The world's fairs are meant to be uh more expo actually like this is the the kind of expo that I always imagined where you can just get an expo ticket and walk around all day and get a sense of the field.
05:16Uh and if you can't make Monday you can come to Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday which actually people do.
05:20People come on the single days only because obviously they have work.
05:23Um other things about this um I actually what's very funny is I actually have thought about what if there was even more expo upstairs.
05:34Uh because I I don't like the time pressure of talks.
05:37Um I think that you know having to rush to this room that room that this room is very pressuring on everybody attendees and speakers and even us as organizers.
05:47The natural way that people have conversations here is just kind of walking around I think is great.
05:51So, what if we turned upstairs into like kind of a content expo?
05:55Here is like the sponsor expo and people just stood around.
05:59It's also very tiring to stand around.
06:00So, I don't know what the right mix is.
06:02Um, what else would I say about this?
06:04We also in insert a lot of breaks like you know, we spent a lot on like the puppy corner and like the uh the poster sessions and the music corner and like you know, Grav even brought in the uh you like the music corner.
06:17Um, people complained about the music corner.
06:20They were like, "Ah, it's like interrupting my quiet time outside."
06:23And I'm like, "Well, you can go upstairs to the leadership lounge.
06:26You can come downstairs to the expo."
06:27I don't know.
06:28Um, I like music, so I at the music
06:31[laughter]
06:31corner.
06:37uh, can we have you as a speaker back at Shift in Croatia?
06:41Oo, I love Shift.
06:43I love Shift.
06:43You're coming back this year or next?
06:45Uh, I have just lost my passport.
06:48I'm stuck in the US until I get my new passport.
06:50Um, but yeah, so uh for those who don't know, AIE was started inspired by Shift in Croatia.
06:56Shift is one of the best conferences I've ever been to and spoken at.
07:00Um, and Ivonne is, you know, a mentor of mine for organizing AIE.
07:06Uh, and potentially, you know, running it as a as a business that that can be sold.
07:11Um, yeah, I would love to come back.
07:13I just haven't really I I you know now I now I travel to other AIES around the world uh by uh you know this this year basically we're between four to five partner conferences in Miami,
07:27Melbourne, Sydney, Shanghai uh Shanghai is still TBD but uh Paris is also going to happen uh and Singapore and so I already have a lot of travel then like adding travel to nonE
07:39conferences is is is a big ask but shift is We also had uh visitors from we are developers and other some other uh large conferences.
07:51Uh we're apparently starting to show up on other people's radars you know like we are a lot younger.
07:55I don't know how old is shift like seven eight years old
08:0015.
08:02Yeah.
08:02So like we are three years old.
08:04Um and bigger than a lot of other I think we're bigger than Shift now.
08:08um like it's it's it's interesting that like how we merge in with the other conference um companies and and how we figure in the landscape of the marketing charts and
08:19time calendars of of uh you know our sponsors and our attendees uh and so I'm I'm kind of sensitive to how we fit in the broader scale because we're not the only conference that people will go to.
08:32Hello.
08:33Hi.
08:33Hi.
08:34So I'm coming down from Bangalore.
08:36uh this is my second AI engineers worldfare here uh that I'm attending.
08:39So I was just wondering that how AIE chapters are growing.
08:42Is there a plan for bringing this to India?
08:45Probably Bangalore or any of uh the cities eventually.
08:48Yeah.
08:48You're the fifth Indian to ask me that in this.
08:51Exactly.
08:51We need that.
08:52Yeah.
08:52Yeah.
08:52Yeah.
08:53No, obviously there's high demand and there's a lot of people in India.
08:55Uh yeah, there is uh we have a partner uh Gortech.
08:59I think uh you know them.
09:01Um basically we have partnerships program.
09:03They're on the website.
09:04You go to AI.engineers.
09:05engineers scroll down you see the partnerships section we have about 40 countries lined up that all want to do some kind of AIE in their country and we are not going to reach every country right so uh the the idea is just like to scalably do the TED TED versus TEDex model of like okay I run the
09:19main TED and everyone can have the TED in TEDex in their country as long as it serves them I don't care like you know like I mean actually I I care in sense of like I want the brand to still stand for something
09:31uh and have meaningful conversations and and have good technical content Um but I don't want to be the limiting factor on countries having their own community and if AI can help that then why not
09:43u and so so India is one of those places where I'm like I don't really know the country that well but if you guys want to take it and run with it yeah absolutely sure so that we have somebody that I've been talking to since um AI Singapore that wants to do it for Bangalore
09:55um and presumably the other cities as well I think we probably start with Bangalore.
10:00Yeah.
10:00No, that that makes sense.
10:01And is there a plan for like communities like these the chapters that like uh let's say people can join and we can join and be a part of it?
10:09Yeah.
10:10So actually AIE has no community apart from the social media pages and Twitter and and LinkedIn and a very inactive Slack.
10:19Uh it we you know I only focus on inerson community.
10:21I think it would be very interesting to build online community, but I much prefer us live on other existing platforms because that's where people already hang out.
10:33I don't want to add yet another Slack to your already 200 Slacks.
10:38I have too many Slacks.
10:39Like, I don't need another Slack, but I'm already in Twitter.
10:42AIE is integrated in Twitter.
10:44By the way, it's free marketing for AIE every time you tweet about AIE.
10:47Like, it's there's just many reasons to just integrate on your existing social media.
10:51anyway your existing blogs um and we we get by on that uh we there are meetups um AIE Italy has been meeting for a long time a London has been meeting for a long time
11:00u and I think there's I think AIE Argentina there is one of the South American countries is meeting so people can organize meetups we provide support um and uh I think that's that's the community really like
11:13I would don't even think about it as the AIE community I think about it just more as like if you're an engineer in AI you will sometimes come to AIE
11:21Sometimes you go to other not as good conferences and then you think about how great AI was and you come back.
11:28[laughter]
11:30Awesome.
11:30Thank you.
11:35Oh, thanks Yan for being the the mic guy.
11:38[laughter]
11:41Yan is a like multiple time speaker as well and like uh it's great to have you here.
11:47Hey.
11:47Hey.
11:48It's uh Eric Nes.
11:49I organized the AI engineer meetup in Minneapolis.
11:53Hey.
11:54We were just talking about this.
11:55Yeah, you can start your own meetup.
11:57You just
11:57you can just do things.
11:59DM Swix.
12:03Just DM Swix.
12:06Uh, so the production here has been awesome and I'm just wondering like for local meetups, do you have any quick tips for how to up production value?
12:18production value.
12:20That's an interesting one.
12:21Um, I don't because I think it is or I organized meetups for years before I did my first conference talk and I think that meetups are a labor of love and they're always last minute and you're always looking for speakers, you're always looking for venues,
12:40you're always ordering pizzas and what have you and that's that's the norm.
12:43Um the production it usually just involves a group of volunteers that all help each other out.
12:52Like you don't definitely don't do it alone.
12:54I think definitely having a home where like people consistently know this is the same venue, same time of the month like let's say we meet every fourth Thursday or something, you know.
13:05Yep.
13:06Um, and then lastly, it's just always the polish in like selection of speakers and then the way you record it, if you record it.
13:15Um, I definitely do not think you need to record the whole thing.
13:19Basically, I think there are some meetups that run effectively as mini conferences where they do two to five talks a meet every meetup and it's just talk talk talk and then c
13:29this discussion and then you end.
13:31I think that the the possible things that you can do at meetups are much wider that you can do other activities that mingle a lot more and you can um in Portland they used to do these like beer things and you just go out and have beers in a beer garden.
13:45Um and that's fun.
13:46That's a meetup.
13:47Uh it doesn't always have to be like a mini conference talk like this like this stuff.
13:52Yeah.
13:53We usually do like some social time, two talks and then a little bit more social time.
13:59So
14:00yeah.
14:00So I would say that that is the norm and that is uh what a an average meetup should be
14:06and then and then if you want to add a little bit more flare on it, you have the website, you have the prestigious company sponsoring it, you have like top speakers whenever they're in town, they go they go to that meetup because that's the one that's known because it has a Twitter account and a YouTube channel and
14:21all has all this stuff.
14:22It's just all extra work on top of just organizing the meetup.
14:25Okay.
14:25Um maybe you can talk to JS uh look at look for JS.la LA I would say as that's a a pretty successful meetup.
14:32Okay.
14:32Uh that is wellrun well produced.
14:35Uh it like I think if you figure out the event organization and then publishing that's the 8020 of it.
14:43You don't really need a ton else of like infrastructure or company organization around it.
14:49Um
14:51and to some extent I I want to keep it the bar low and accessible.
14:56You can always up it.
14:57You can always start end up running your own conference.
14:59Uh just be prepared for it to be your full-time job
15:03[laughter]
15:03and uh it can it's not for everybody.
15:06Okay.
15:07Yeah.
15:07Well, thank you.
15:08I' I've really enjoyed myself here.
15:09Thanks for coming, man.
15:10Thank you.
15:10Yeah.
15:12Uh more questions, more feedback.
15:15Um again, yeah.
15:19Uh so mainly my feedback is around like I think Monday the workshops, right?
15:24I feel like if there's a way to like sign up online for a room because like I spent half the day waiting in line to get into a room that I never got into.
15:33Yeah.
15:34Um yeah, this is something that we failed uh attendees this year.
15:38I'm sorry about that.
15:40Um some some like we have roughly equalized rooms, but we don't have equaliz allocation to make.
15:51I mean the trade-off is that everything is recorded.
15:53So, I just say like if if a room is full, go to your number two, go to your number three.
15:57Um uh but yes, people want to pre-register.
16:01Um we tried to we paid a vendor a lot of money for the mobile app for the conference and we couldn't make it work for the pre-registration for the workshops.
16:10I don't I personally wasn't involved.
16:12So, my team just said like we tried it and it's not the right fit.
16:16So, next year we'll try it.
16:17Uh people always want registration.
16:19Uh I will I will just generally say that um you know I register for things and I also don't show up.
16:26So
16:26[laughter]
16:27uh I think there needs to be some better organization that that we owe you as an attendee to do that we haven't done and you know I I'm disappointed in that we didn't do it this year.
16:35I I I seriously thought this was the year that we would start doing workshops uh registrations.
16:40Um and we promise people that we didn't do it.
16:42Um it's mostly a software issue.
16:44We got to figure it out.
16:47Thank you.
16:48Again, it's all recorded, right?
16:50Like, you know, I I think that it's the UX of who gets in the room and then how quickly do you know you're not getting in the room so you can go to the next thing.
16:59So, uh I am optimized for that.
17:01I know that that is a pain point.
17:03Um yeah, I'm I heard as they say maybe I I have one as well.
17:11Yeah.
17:12Uh is the maximum size of the conference that you're planning?
17:14I mean given the capacity of the venue because I I feel like it's it's not necessarily like the bigger the better always.
17:21Yeah.
17:21Yeah.
17:22I agree and um we did go for size in uh as far as the world fair is concerned because size has its own benefits because it can pull some of the top speakers that we have.
17:32Um but then there's also such a thing as too big.
17:36So I haven't announced this yet but you guys get a special preview.
17:39We're going to go on to the closing keynotes and say next year we're not growing.
17:43So next year, same size, same venue, same everything.
17:46And we just optimized.
17:48Uh it was the idea that now all of our sponsors have seen what a world's fair at Moscone looks like.
17:54All of our attendees have seen it.
17:56All of our um speakers have seen it.
17:58That's all.
17:59And most importantly, my employees have all seen it.
18:02So now we actually know what a world's fair looks like at Mosone.
18:05We're just going to do this every year until we get good and then we can grow.
18:10And so I think probably next year like I there was some rooms that were still empty like level three was still kind of I think we can just optimize the usage of the existing space better but we have the exact same week booked next year
18:26and so we can just come back like we you know we I so I'm very comfortable making the promise of that nothing like we won't grow in terms of like
18:35changing to a larger venue or anything like that and I think I want everyone to have a much experience including us organizing so that um you know this becomes a sustainable
18:46industry conference like I want this to last decades.
18:50I want this to be an industry institution.
18:52This is not a quick hyperrowth hustle for me.
18:55You know I I really believe that AI engineering deserves uh you know the top conference that uh that we can kind we can run.
19:02So yeah, I I I feel the the the the the the comments mostly from Europeans.
19:07Uh which is like very interesting.
19:10Um but yeah, I I I definitely don't like the very very very very big like reinvent type AWS things in in Las Vegas.
19:18So we will never leave San Francisco.
19:21Um Moscone is it at least for this year and next year and probably the next five years.
19:27Um, in fact, my joke is the next step up from here is that I raise money and I build a new building.
19:33Uh, because I there's there's things about Moscone I don't like.
19:36So, um, what does that look like, right?
19:39Um, so we we'll see.
19:40Uh, but you know, I think I always joke like the business of tech actually just funds real estate.
19:47It's not the, you know, it's not the other way around.
19:49Anyway, I I that's a little bit of a ramble, but um there is that that is the intention that we only grow by geog geography and like accessibility to other countries,
19:58but as far as San Francisco is concerned, this is we're going to stay put for a while.
20:02Thank you.
20:05I don't know if this came up, but the Wi-Fi really was bad.
20:09Like even the presenters were not able to present their demos in the workshops mainly.
20:16I don't know if it's up to you or
20:18No, we got we got uh we got complaints, we got demands for refunds, everything.
20:22Uh it happens every year.
20:23Um uh and you know, we we pay maximum for whatever the Wi-Fi package they offer us is.
20:30And so beyond that, what can we do?
20:32Um and the the truth of it is most of these venues are not set up for engineers downloading gigabytes of things per laptop every time.
20:40Like they they're not that kind of conference venue.
20:42Um, so, uh, to me the this is an improvement from last year because we're no longer in basement 3 of the Marriott where there's no reception.
20:52Here, at least everyone can tether.
20:54Uh, and that's good.
20:55As far as speakers were concerned, uh, we actually did have a separate speaker Wi-Fi.
20:59Uh, I'm not sure that every speaker was told about it, but as far as I I was always on the speaker Wi-Fi and I never got any issue.
21:07Uh, and also sponsors have a separate Wi-Fi as well, so we want to make sure the sponsors can do their demos.
21:12Um but as far as attendees, yes, there will be congestion.
21:15Um we try to pay for the max of everything.
21:17The other, you know, I think the next option from here is I don't know build buying our own hots hotspots and like giving everyone like second Wi-Fi things.
21:26Um it's not great.
21:28It's never been great at any conference I've ever been to.
21:30So I that's that's the uncomfortable answer that I have to give right now.
21:35Unless you know a Wi-Fi person.
21:38[laughter]
21:40Yeah.
21:41How many satellites do you need?
21:43How many dishes do you need to serve 7,000 people?
21:47I don't know.
21:50Starting cool though.
21:56Hey, how's it going?
21:57Uh my name is Justin.
21:58This is my first uh AI engineer.
22:01Welcome event.
22:02Um I frequently travel to China.
22:05Uh I saw that there's a Shanghai uh possibly but you just mentioned that it's TVD.
22:12Yep.
22:12So is that why uh there is a weight list?
22:17Okay.
22:17Okay.
22:17Just wanted to confirm that and make sure.
22:20Uh thank you.
22:21Yeah.
22:21Uh right now targeted at November.
22:24This date has shifted back two times already.
22:26Um
22:28I don't know we uh we we these are all we rely on external partners uh that we work with to organize the international events.
22:37Uh but we want to do Shanghai.
22:38We want to bring American researchers and engineers to meet their Chinese counterparts and have that exchange because I think uh that will at least give people an opportunity to understand who's on the other side.
22:50Um I mean it's pretty good that they come here but we should do the other the other way too.
22:56I I I find it interesting.
22:57That's your first That's your first question.
22:59You given that it's your first time coming to AIE.
23:02You didn't have anything else.
23:03You just want this to be in Shanghai.
23:04That's your question.
23:06[laughter]
23:11Uh okay.
23:12Other questions or feedback?
23:13We don't have to take the full period.
23:18Yes.
23:18Oh, hello.
23:23Hey.
23:24Um, my name is Alex.
23:25So, first of all, thank you for such a great event and uh I'm first time on AI engineer and it's really cool.
23:31Um, I really like the idea of the leadership track and really cool stuff there.
23:37The uh uh the one improvement there that I I think would be really good which we actually experienced earlier this morning is to have more like free time to chat and share the experience among the leaders.
23:49So you you have a lot of great speakers already lined up but with all the leadership you also bring a lot of experience across the a lot of companies
23:57having the opportunity to just share the experience with each other and maybe have open-ended sessions with the topic saying like how the organization work how you figuring out the product how you figuring out the design.
24:09I think that would be a great addition to this like just let people to share their experience.
24:14Yeah.
24:15Um, I agree, but I don't know if that is my top top priority because people can still exchange contacts and meet tomorrow.
24:27Tomorrow is Friday.
24:28It's a holiday.
24:29People can still meet.
24:30They don't have to meet here.
24:32Um, they also there was also the leadership lounge where people could hang out all day.
24:36This is basically like if you want to chat, you can just not go to the sessions.
24:41So like it's it's that that is that is an open debate, right?
24:44Right.
24:45So should I content max or should I use the time and just schedule nothing in that time and just let people talk or just give you an option.
24:54That that is an that is an option.
24:56So to me the option to not attend sessions is built into everything at AIE, right?
25:01You can just not attend anything and just talk and a lot of people do that.
25:05And so then a question of like okay I've I think you have your own free will and autonomy to do all those things.
25:14You have the space the the lounge um to do that.
25:18Then what else am I optimizing for?
25:19I'm kind of just optimizing for getting the best speakers and content I can online so that everyone can benefit online.
25:26And so then I just give them the space.
25:29And sometimes people speak to rooms where it's like 80% not full.
25:33it's okay because they get their stuff, they get the story out.
25:36Sometimes it's very very good and actually it does a lot better online than it does in person.
25:40Um, so then I'm like, okay, I much rather have that than leave it blank where we pay for this space and we didn't use it.
25:46But I understand this this perspective.
25:48I would say that um as far as the summits go or like in in London for example, um there was no separate leadership track.
25:56There was basically leadership lunchons and the lunchons were very good because we had basically five 10 minutes guided discussion and then the the rest the rest of the hour was just
26:07chat across tables among everything and we focused the conversation around like three topics that we that we sort of prime people on.
26:14Um and that was very well reviewed.
26:16Um people like said we should bring that back.
26:18We didn't do it this time.
26:20Uh but I think for the the summits we can definitely do that.
26:23Can I give the tactical feedback on the mobile application if you can add filter on location uh to like filter out booth for example if you're looking for agenda or something like that.
26:34Ah uh
26:35very tactical small thing.
26:37Um if if I'm I assume you don't you're talking about the dedicated mobile app right?
26:43Yeah, the the dick mobile.
26:44So, uh if if I have my way, uh that will go away next year and we will just do the web app um as a as its own its own thing.
26:58Um so, I mean I I I hope that this was useful to people because I I would love to have this because then I can vibe code whatever filter I want.
27:07Um I don't know.
27:10Um, yeah, we want to get rid of that vendor.
27:12Yeah, honestly, uh, that app is a slob.
27:15Uh,
27:16which one?
27:16Well, the the mobile app.
27:18It's
27:19Oh, okay.
27:20Some people say they liked it because well, for example, it doesn't filter like the past sessions.
27:24You'll have to scroll down like I mean
27:26just set the filter and that's it.
27:28Yeah.
27:28Yeah.
27:29It's rough.
27:30Okay.
27:31No, this is why I have resisted making an app for like for us even though we can code.
27:38I resisted making an app for a long time because they all suck, right?
27:41So actually the only app you like is the one that you made.
27:45So why don't I just publish all my all my JSON files, right?
27:49And then go knock yourself out.
27:52So there was nothing stopping you from vi coding your own stuff because the the data was open the whole time.
27:56We have MCPS and CLI and um uh people some people did it, some people don't.
28:04uh but you could you could always like if if there's any conference where you can vi code your own app it's this this one so why not uh I mean but obviously we should provide a good default and so next year I want to take control of that
28:15um because I think I finally understand what we need to show people um and it took me three years to learn this problem because my my sample size is not that high this is only the seventh AIE
28:31the game is really cool the game Um,
28:34people,
28:35a lot of people asked what you spoke about.
28:38When do we get your keynote?
28:39When do we get you to do an online talk?
28:42When do we get to hear your takes?
28:44I did a keynote yesterday.
28:45Um, Tuesday.
28:48DJ,
28:49I thought I don't know.
28:50I was pretty happy with my keynote.
28:52Uh, basically it's like the idea was uh everyone is doing loops.
28:56Oo, look at that.
28:58Um, everyone's doing loops and um, sorry, I think this is very distracting.
29:05This was just part of uh, you know, the content the CLI is out there.
29:09Yeah.
29:09Okay.
29:10This is
29:11this for the
29:12So only only Opus decided to do an auto tour thing so I don't have to touch it and it tours through all the talks.
29:17Um, okay.
29:19So um yeah my talks I don't know I have a podcast I don't need to speak
29:26[laughter]
29:26to talks
29:30um yeah just one other point um I thought of just now was that the breakout workshops are really cool but sometimes 20 minutes is just like not enough to get through anything of sort of substance
29:40um and I thought the workshops themselves are really good because you had an actual hour to see how it actually looks in practice as opposed to sort of like one vendor being like Yeah, we have this app and this is what it can do and you just kind of it's very high level.
29:52So if they could consider like a mixture of lengths of um
29:56you know we mixed them right we actually did
29:58okay nothing I went to was long.
30:01Yeah.
30:01Yeah.
30:01So so I mean it wasn't that super obvious but um um
30:06that's on that's on me.
30:07Yeah.
30:07No it's it's fine.
30:08It's only I know everything right.
30:11Um so every day had a workshop uh schedule.
30:16So this today this is the the workshop one where people have like this is basically two backtoback sessions this 45 minutes uh and then every day had a workshop room
30:29where if you had longer form content I would give you that room so this is workshop this is basically room four had their workshops day um so every day had that but a lot of people just have talks so
30:41I did um one of the three or four inspirations of AIE is GDC, Game DevCon.
30:49GDC does a lot of one-hour workshops where it's like, okay, here's everything about web slinging in Spider-Man 4 and and they do that and those those are typically what you do in these kind of workshop rooms.
31:03Others would be more sort of quick hits like lightning talk like type type things.
31:06Um, I would say that attention uh online attention on YouTube is going shorter and shorter in terms of attention spans.
31:14So honestly making people condense into 20 minutes is pretty good and we have an entire workshop day 10 tracks of workshop day on the first day as well as three
31:26workshop rooms across the remainder of the days.
31:28I feel like it's enough.
31:30Um, you know, arguably it's can can be up or up or down, but we have something.
31:36I Yeah, I do want people to go deep.
31:39Many people don't have don't deserve the time, but they want the time, and so I don't give it to them.
31:56Hey, um thanks a lot for organizing this.
31:58It's been really great for the um for all these subtracks are is all of it going on YouTube.
32:04Is it all recorded?
32:05Yeah,
32:05every single one.
32:06Yeah.
32:07And then maybe this has been asked already but like continuity if there's a track let's say vision and OCR is is there an attempt to make uh there be like a consistent level of depth or like like sometimes there's repeat subject matter between uh subsequent speakers
32:22and obviously if if if you're going for you know the YouTube experience maybe having it self-contained in 25 minutes is the best experience but how do you think of like weaving a common thread in like a 4 hour block?
32:34Uh I we do actually I I um in previous AIES I would have I would manually do it of like try to sequence and cluster topics together.
32:45Uh Jazelle was here.
32:46She was in the MCP block of the context engineering track, right?
32:49They're all MCP and I I sequence them so they like kind of like se segue into each other because I know the the content of every single talk.
32:56Um sometimes it's just impossible if the speaker cannot come in the morning.
33:01They have work.
33:02Mhm.
33:02What are you going to do?
33:04[laughter]
33:04So, you try very very hard to have this pristine, beautiful schedule and then people have lives.
33:10Yeah,
33:10it's very annoying.
33:11I need them to not have lives.
33:13I need them to just come here and only do this.
33:16But unfortunately, this just not realistic.
33:18Um, so, uh, you know, uh, we we we basically try to optimize, but I think you're right in that YouTube standalone is the format to optimize for.
33:28I can craft a narrative with my playlist, which I I set up playlist for every single track that nobody uses.
33:34So, I do it, but
33:37[laughter]
33:48Eric for number two.
33:49Yep.
33:50Um, so appreciated the new engineer orientation this year.
33:56I haven't been the last.
33:57You liked it?
33:58Yeah.
33:58But I feel like it could have been more thorough.
34:01Um, it kind of hit a couple highlights, but like the next day I still wasn't sure if lunch was going to be served or uh like how to manage the schedule and
34:15things like that.
34:16So,
34:18you know, again,
34:20we can improve this
34:20in the context everything is great, but like
34:23that was one thing that still felt a little bit uh like I could have used some more information before Monday morning hit.
34:30I think again this is related to the previous comment about how next year we will not grow.
34:35We will see the same venue, same location, same time, same everything.
34:40So that we have a year to like to prepare y
34:43and we now have 7,000 people who have been through this.
34:46Yep.
34:47So uh I think that we just need to optimize our processes.
34:51This year my team was just keep like struggling to already organize the actual days.
34:57Having an extra load to organize NEO was was a you know was was an undertaking that I think I underestimated.
35:04I really wanted more onboarding and in instead it became more networking and it's fine.
35:08It's just not not full on boarding.
35:10We had an attendee guide that we put together.
35:12I don't think most people saw it.
35:14It's online.
35:15Okay.
35:16Yeah.
35:16I didn't see that one.
35:18Yeah.
35:18Yeah.
35:19Yeah.
35:19again,
35:19we send a lot of emails and not everyone reads the emails.
35:22No, I mean this is a tiny little
35:25No, I I I appreciate that and and I mean uh you know Justin over there is a first- timer and like I I'm sure he could have used better onboarding.
35:34I don't know if you went to our NEO the new new engineer onboarding.
35:38Yes.
35:38No, you did.
35:39Yeah.
35:40Uh so like uh the NEO came out of this kind of feedback session at the last conference, right?
35:46Right.
35:46And then we were like, "Okay, well, we went from zero orientation to a little bit and like I think the next one will will get a lot better."
35:53But yeah, I I um I didn't know some of the answers that you some of the questions that you had questions for anyway.
36:00So, uh it's this process of discovery, I guess.
36:04Yeah.
36:05Just one small piece of feedback.
36:06So,
36:07thank you.
36:07Yeah.
36:11Kevin, I want you to say something Andy.
36:13you've you've been to
36:13[snorts]
36:14many of these.
36:16So, um, sorry, I joined late, so it may be that
36:19Q&A FnB.
36:20Yeah.
36:21Right.
36:21Right.
36:21It may be that some of the questions, some of the things that I point out have already been pointed out.
36:25So, sorry for that.
36:26Um, but it does kind of segue into one of the things that I have is that
36:31I feel as if though there were so many talks and so many interesting sessions that I wanted to be in that at some point I kind of just gave up.
36:40I'm like, okay, I can just watch them at home.
36:42Y
36:43and like part of it makes sense.
36:46Sure.
36:46Like I cannot be in two places at once.
36:48Um so it was going to happen anyways.
36:50Yeah.
36:50But I do really enjoy the part of talking to the speaker afterwards and being able to ask questions and and and know more about that.
36:57And so I feel like I lose that
36:59and it kind of feels that like that sense of okay, I'm already missing two talks, so why not just stay in the expo?
37:05Why not miss all of them, right?
37:06Why not miss all of them kind of thing?
37:07It's like I'm I'm going to have to sit down and watch them at like 2x when I'm when I'm home.
37:11So it's it's okay.
37:12So, it's one of those things where it'd be nice to have them a bit more maybe less, right?
37:17But more quality or something like that.
37:18I don't know.
37:19Like the quality was good.
37:20That's the that's the thing.
37:21Uh it's just yeah, I felt overwhelmed if that makes sense.
37:24So, uh I think what I hear is anxiety, right?
37:28FOMO, anxiety,
37:30and it's something I do want to manage.
37:33At the same time, it's also just a high class problem.
37:35We have an embarrassment of riches.
37:38We happen to be in a golden age of AI and we have, you know, too much food at our table.
37:42Oh no. Um, you know, the food doesn't spoil.
37:46It it lives online on on YouTube.
37:48Uh, again, so like um am I is that like that is important to me, but is it the most important thing to me?
37:54Probably not because I think you have coping mechanisms um which you you handle just fine.
38:00Yeah.
38:00um does uh we have other formats of AIE where there is no there's only one track right
38:07that's what the summit is it's only one track so you can attend a track or not attend a track there is no other track and I think that's very simple
38:15um that's not what the world fair is fair is the big show
38:19gota
38:19and we want to create the space for everyone to show their the best work of the year and if they want to go to a more dedicated summit they can to they can but this is where everyone shows their best Got it.
38:30Got it.
38:31Um, what else should I say about that?
38:33Um, and you know, if we were covering finance or real estate or healthcare or something like that's fine.
38:41You know, we're covering the fastest moving fields ever.
38:46And so, you should be a little bit uh uncomfortable, right?
38:52So, if you're completely comfortable, you're probably not being pushed,
38:55right?
38:56You're probably falling asleep during the talks.
38:58Yeah,
38:58[laughter]
38:58fair enough.
38:59And then I don't know if anyone touched on the app itself.
39:03Uh there were a couple comments.
39:04Uh do you like it or hate it?
39:06Um I have mixed feelings.
39:08So there's there's
39:08[laughter]
39:09Yeah, I I can't say I'm fully satisfied.
39:11Not not going to lie.
39:12And obviously I'm going to point out all the bad, but take into account this is within the context of
39:17it mostly worked.
39:17It mostly worked.
39:18Exactly.
39:19Yeah.
39:19Yeah.
39:19But things like for example on Android it crashed multiple times.
39:22Like it just if you enter and then exit and try to enter it again, it just at least for me it just crashed.
39:27Yeah.
39:27Yeah.
39:27Yeah.
39:28For no reason.
39:29Um, if you enter a talk to see the details of that talk and you go back, you get a loading screen for like several seconds.
39:36Yeah.
39:37What's it jump to the top,
39:38right?
39:39Oh, that I didn't didn't jump to the top for me.
39:41Holy moly, that's even worse.
39:43But I don't know what's loading
39:45for for you.
39:45It it jumps to the you lose your position and scroll.
39:48Okay.
39:49Right.
39:49Um, you sometimes get the loading screen as well when you're just scrolling down, which I assume is just like fetching more talks from the server, but it's like, can you not pre-do that while I'm scrolling, right?
39:59Like it feels it feels very 2015.
40:01So, we we we Yeah.
40:03Okay.
40:03Uh, but keep going.
40:04Okay.
40:04Yeah.
40:04Yeah.
40:05So, um, the my schedule um screen, I would expect it to be very similar to the regular like schedule, just like a filtered down version of the event, but I can still search, I can still filter.
40:14I can't do that.
40:15Uh not only that, the my schedule tab you scroll from the top like from the very first day even though all those other talks have already ended you still have to scroll through all of them to get to today whereas that doesn't happen on the regular like all sessions kind of kind of tab.
40:32Okay.
40:32Yeah.
40:33Do you want me to keep going like there's a
40:34Yes, I do.
40:35Uh because all this is going straight to my uh my team so that we can we can fix it for next time.
40:40Awesome.
40:40Awesome.
40:41um uh you can't save currently ongoing sessions to your schedule.
40:45So if there are multiple things going on live and that's happened to me.
40:49I'm like okay the let me look at what's next and it just so happened to be one minute past you know the the time and so I couldn't save them.
40:56So it's like okay I want to go to these two let me save one and go to the other and I couldn't do that.
41:00Um then there's also no syncing between the web and the app.
41:04I can't log in into the web.
41:06So if I went on the
41:07because they're different code bases.
41:08Yeah.
41:08Right.
41:08Right.
41:09So, it would be super nice to have that so I can no matter what UI I I use, I see everything synced across.
41:15Yeah,
41:15that's just nice to have.
41:17Um, for the booths, it's it just says booth
41:20like doesn't have a name.
41:22Yeah, it just says the title of whatever they're doing, but then on the calendar icon and it doesn't have the address booth booth
41:29and it's like okay.
41:30And so some many of them on the message like when you actually click, they've gone to the lengths of okay, we are at booth whatever blah blah blah.
41:37This is our company.
41:38but some haven't.
41:39So, it's like, "Oh, we're doing this thing."
41:41And it's like, "But where?"
41:43You just don't know.
41:44There's no way to know.
41:45Um, so yeah, that's And then there were I I noticed there's a chat and a Q&A features within the the details.
41:53That's super nice, but I don't think anyone's ever Yeah.
41:56used any of them.
41:57So, maybe something you can just remove.
41:59Um, then the filters themselves, not too cool because when you open the filters, it just I think it just loads like a bunch of the companies.
42:07And so for you to actually
42:09it's unoptimized.
42:10Yeah.
42:10Yeah.
42:11Um and then maybe a nice to have would be potentially like a matching system.
42:15But this is very nice to have something where it's like I'm interested in seeing people
42:20who are similar to me and I want to talk to them potentially or I want to meet more founders or I want to maybe meet people from like big tech that kind of thing where it's like he's the recommended people you could talk to.
42:30the leadership track had a a prototype basically of our matching system that we set up.
42:36Uh and we basically built a Facebook where we sort of deep research every leadership attendee uh and and sort of sent that out.
42:44Um we I want to invest more in that direction because I've seen it work in other conferences.
42:49I've never seen the chat work.
42:50Uh so yeah, I agree with that.
42:52Long story short, that is a v that is an external vendor that we that we purchase.
42:56Uh and next year I want to rip it out and do our own.
42:59Got it.
43:00Right.
43:00So, uh, to the extent that you've seen, uh, the website, this one is this one is controlled by me.
43:06Um, and we have the we have the sort of canvas like thing and we have the performance.
43:12The website's super nice.
43:13Like it's much easier to navigate.
43:15Yay, this is me.
43:16[laughter]
43:17So, so I I I'm somewhat trying to build confidence as an organizer of that we that we not just organize the events, but we also do the event technology
43:25which are completely separate uh disciplines effectively.
43:29It's not like I'm I am an engineer.
43:31It is just that this is a design thing that I wanted to completely uh collect the specs.
43:36So everything that you just reported, we were recording this session.
43:40Those become the the sort of requirements document for me to do next year's thing.
43:44Fantastic.
43:44Fantastic.
43:45I know I threw a whole bunch of things at you.
43:47Yeah.
43:47Yeah.
43:48I'm glad that you can probably find Yeah, you can probably find my email if you have more that you'd think about later.
43:53Uh Swix at AI engineer.
43:55Uh yeah, we want to hear all this and and build a like you know engineers deserve a good app.
43:59Uh that said uh like I said before to other people.
44:02Um we have always open sourced our data.
44:05So if you wanted to vibe code your own you could you could have done that
44:08and and that's a great thing by the way like I wish more like events did that cuz it's like
44:12because why should you like Yeah.
44:14I always say like I have never liked a conference app that I that anyone else made.
44:18I just like the one that I make and I I assume it's the same for every attendee.
44:26Just to extend on that last idea, you can gamify it and put it like the marketplace where people can upload their application.
44:33[laughter]
44:35This is it.
44:35This is everybody that submitted.
44:37There's only three uh four.
44:39That's it.
44:40There's not that many submissions.
44:43There's opportunity to grow.
44:44[laughter]
44:51Hey Sean, thanks again for doing this.
44:53As you know, um I work for a nonprofit in the sports industry, so um we don't have a lot of money, but we do choose to invest pretty heavily in getting here every year.
45:01I've done it for four years now.
45:03Um
45:03thanks for coming back and bringing your team.
45:05Yeah.
45:06So I maybe I'll start with that.
45:08Um there are is at least one organization that treats this as part of our annual clock tick.
45:13This is the investment that we make in our team.
45:15We spend tens of thousands of dollars to bring our people here because of you.
45:19So for all the feedback and all this kind of thing that you're going to get that's constructive like thanks for making it all happen.
45:26It goes beyond just the the content and the things that are here and the speakers.
45:29This is actually how we invest in our team.
45:31So thanks for being uh sort of a pivotal part in that.
45:34I have a related so persuant to the word invest.
45:36I have a related suggestion but I want to I want to hear your feedback first.
45:40Um and just the way that we approach that is like when when we come here, we actually um also get together a month before to prepare for being here.
45:49Yes.
45:49That's what I want in every team.
45:51Yep.
45:51So we've created our own little internal level up summit to make sure that everyone is here to get the most out of the time that we're together.
45:57Um and then when we're here, it is like we rent a suite, we get beer and pizza every night, and we basically hack on the things that we heard and learned during the day.
46:05So just recognize that it's different than what you see inside these four walls.
46:09Uh there's a lot of other stuff that at least one organization is doing with it.
46:12So thanks for being part of it.
46:14Um I just want to applaud the part where you were u the leadership track is significantly better this year really
46:19has been previously.
46:20Um like content fantastic I think.
46:23Um
46:25voice opinion of one.
46:27Can you can you call out uh sessions that you felt like made it?
46:30Um not in particular, but they um in previous years it has felt more salesy or um hungry for relevance and uh we have people who are just legitimately doing awesome things who are able to get up and talk and speak credibly about it.
46:45Um I I was just very impressed by that and it's actually it is more than opinion of one.
46:49I heard that from several other people as well.
46:52Can I just say [clears throat] um I had nothing to do with that.
46:56I cannot take credit for any of it.
46:58It is simply that we are we have been around longer therefore people have heard of us therefore they come forward.
47:04It's all inbound.
47:05We didn't really I mean I solicited some of them
47:08but most of it it is people stepping up saying I have something to share.
47:12Yeah.
47:12Because we've been around enough that like we're established now.
47:15Yeah.
47:16Well something must be working right for that to happen.
47:18Um in the I think the very first year there was some kind of birds of a feather concept where you would sort of set
47:23Yeah.
47:24table topics.
47:24Yeah.
47:25Table topics.
47:25That's right.
47:26And it sound kind of similar to what you were talking about maybe doing in the future as part of the leadership track or a second content uh expo area.
47:35Oo.
47:36Uh [clears throat] maybe
47:38the idea of going and participating.
47:40Yeah.
47:40And not rather than just listening to participate
47:43time place on a topic uh is
47:46I mean it's like what it is is unconference, right?
47:48Have you
47:49have you been to one?
47:50Do you like it?
47:51Um it's been a decade or something but yeah.
47:54So [clears throat] people want us to do an unconference.
47:56The problem is I worry that we don't sell tickets.
47:59If
48:00you come and you don't have any speakers but yourselves.
48:02Yeah.
48:02I I wouldn't go if that was it.
48:04I'm just saying that like there's room in there.
48:07Uh I would find that compelling at some point to wrap as a a thing a niche.
48:11Yes.
48:12Uh yeah.
48:13May maybe it's different from what you were envisioning with the cont.
48:17look like um okay especially for the leaders we do actually want maybe next year maybe the year after I don't know to do a dedicated leadership retreat uh like only leadership
48:29go away to like a some Napa or something and sit down for a weekend uh to me there I can do the unconference there I can do the off off the record chats I think there will be a market for that
48:41um yeah I mean but at these things content is king we want to get as much good work online as possible um well produced with with these guys and
48:55uh for you to meet the speakers in person.
48:57Yeah.
48:58Uh the the last thing I was going to share is um and you don't really have to react to this, but just um over the years of you know for a long time we've had things like South by Southwest
49:08that started out scrappy and with a certain vibe and eventually the the ratio of
49:14uh sport coats to hoodies started to take over and that will naturally happen in in every place that becomes successful like this.
49:20Um a little bit of me is going to be sad when that happens.
49:23So I I really appreciate the heart and soul that you put into all this.
49:26Do you don't you notice it's gotten more uh chill?
49:30I I So, okay though, uh my index for this
49:34I don't think it's happened yet.
49:36My index for this is number of people wearing costumes,
49:39right?
49:39We had two orcs.
49:41Yeah.
49:41Walking around.
49:42Okay.
49:43We had a guy in a T-Rex suit.
49:45We had the mother duck ducks outside.
49:47I don't know if you saw saw the ducks.
49:49Uh we had a we had a shark.
49:52Um, so the the the the costume index, there's been three Worlds Fair.
49:56The costume index was two in the first World's Fair, zero in the last year, and then now it's like nine.
50:02Um, so I think we're going in the right direction.
50:05We had I mean, okay, then we get a bunch of free costumes with the the flash mob.
50:09Did you see the flash mob?
50:10I didn't.
50:11Oh my god.
50:12Uh, yeah.
50:14Anyway, I want to be I told uh Eve, we had Eve, the head of design for Y Combinator, speak at the design track.
50:20I was like, I want to be the conference where you would do things that would be unprofessional in the other ones, but it fits here because it has the community vibe because you can be yourself.
50:28That's fantastic.
50:29Uh so yeah, I mean to some extent like you know I will not run AIE forever.
50:34Uh but I think if we set the community expectation um that uh you know that that this is what we do.
50:42It's like Comic-Con.
50:43Comic-Con has like you know there still you still have people it hasn't been taken over by the suits and I think that is important.
50:52We do still want to serve the suits.
50:54I think there's a there's a place for them.
50:56Uh but there's you know a floor of the Mosone separating the suits from the here.
51:00[laughter]
51:00I think that's okay.
51:03Yeah.
51:03Um what else can I say about that?
51:07Vibe and culture.
51:09I think um one of the most important things in our CFP application uh the application to speak is we have all these tracks that we are interested in but the last thing in the track is my talk is weird and doesn't fit
51:26and I always want to be have a place for weird stuff and so um Eric Meyer's talk from last night came from came from that John Auster's stuff came from that sometimes you just have a you really want to just
51:40share and it doesn't fit yet, but if it's cool, uh we'll try to give it a platform and a place.
51:47Uh kind of on that note, I had a question about uh speakers.
51:50So that's why I'm here.
51:52I think that the speakers, the quality of speakers you are able to assemble here is amazing.
51:57Um I I applied my whole team as speakers and so like five applications total and I was I was accepted for the remote track and I guess in short I'm I'm a little bit almost like buttth hurt that my teammates who
52:09we work in spatial reasoning and have a a a product for home builders that just raised series C where we have uh paying customers using novel computer vision and uh spatial intelligence tools that are
52:21um the first time that's been done in architecture.
52:24And I wanted to ask like in in the applications like these guys who I I submitted their applications.
52:29They're not Twitter famous.
52:30Um they're not from Silicon Valley.
52:32They're architects turned PhD machine learning engineers.
52:35How can I better like tell their story in the application to get a better chance of them getting picked up to speak on that stuff?
52:42Uh uh so again I'm sorry for not uh that we can't select everybody.
52:48Um you were weightlisted or you were selected for online.
52:52Uh let's for online.
52:54Yeah.
52:54Yeah.
52:55Uh so uh you know we we had two 2200 applications for effectively 300 spots.
53:01Um and all of those 300 spots we had to we also invited people.
53:06It's not just all uh people that come in through the CFP.
53:09So basically it's very very competitive.
53:11We can't accept everybody that like does meaningful work because there there's just there's too many.
53:16Um I will say I think um being somewhat frontier being uh uh being unique in the application um that happens to tie it to a broader trend that we can tell
53:32um does help it more.
53:34I don't know if um I don't know if that directly applies to your situation.
53:41Yeah.
53:42Because basically there there's a lot of like early stage companies that have re revenue that h they have innovative things and we only have 10 talks in the vision track.
53:52Yeah.
53:52Right.
53:53And some of that immediately goes to people with proprietary models like the perceptron talk uh that we have there.
54:00Uh and some of them goes go to leading companies that are somewhat Twitter famous because that puts that puts butts in seats.
54:06Yeah.
54:06Then we have some leftover for
54:08well people who like let's let's see how they do.
54:10Uhhuh.
54:11So, the better you can guarantee the review committee, I'm on every committee, but then uh I work with uh reviewers that that we trust, usually past speakers, um to to to vet and and and
54:25vote on on who should be in.
54:27Um if you can guarantee that this will be a banger basically.
54:30Yeah.
54:31Yeah.
54:31Yeah.
54:31Uh then that would be great.
54:33Uh that's why we often that's why that's why um applications are not blind.
54:37We do encourage you to submit prior talks.
54:40Yeah.
54:40and we do watch the talks
54:42and if we go this guy is really goddamn good, we'll fight for you.
54:47That's what I was going to ask too.
54:48So it like let's say for next year that's a good goal to try and like just
54:51have have talks recorded at other meetups, other conferences
54:54and like some proof of like even if it it doesn't have a thousand views doesn't matter.
54:58Yeah.
54:59But like I watch you like you're com you're you're you know how to do a good conference talk.
55:04We have that quality filter here.
55:06It's a it's a very high bar to be here.
55:08Yes.
55:08It's a lossy bar.
55:10Like some people get through that should not get through.
55:12I know.
55:13Um but mostly we're known for having a very high bar.
55:16So try to just remove all doubt that you meet that bar
55:20and you'll be in.
55:22Awesome.
55:22Thanks a lot.
55:23Anybody else?
55:24Um so uh first of all I want to just thank you because I am attending because I um submitted a demo to the ACM agents project uh agents and um agentic systems conference and
55:39uh we're able to um and I I I wanted to just comment that I think it's great that you were able to um provide access to this conference for students and for academics and people who are kind of doing that.
55:52Um
55:52thank you.
55:53The more you can do that, I think the better because a lot of the people who were in that when I was attending that meeting, a lot of the people who were there were just these young, brighteyed,
56:03really excited people who are just starting their careers.
56:06They're doing some really interesting stuff from a conceptual point of view.
56:10And I I think that um having a little bit more of that in the community may also be just a good you know um catalyst to get things moving to kind of get things get
56:21Yeah.
56:22Um thank you for saying that.
56:23Uh I was this is the first year that we've done the poster sessions um so AIE was started kind of in opposition to new CML clear uh because we basically wanted to do everything that they don't do.
56:36for example, don't cut off submissions six months before the the conference date because that guarantees everything's out of date.
56:42Um, but we want to bring academ academic academia to industry uh in the same way that Nurus brings industry to academia and I think uh there is a lot of synergy there.
56:53Kais was just the easiest to work with by far.
56:56Uh so we have this partnership.
56:58It's very it's been very successful.
56:59We've been invited back to Kais and Kais has been invited back to us.
57:03So we keep going.
57:04Um I think the the just the question is like well okay this one we just use KAS as our selection process right we didn't do any selection whatsoever we're just like we just outsource it but at some point we're going to have a peer review process
57:18um I've been introduced to the ACM presidents uh do we start publishing our own journal to give people a publication spot I think to some extent um I like that we are not accredited
57:28because that means that nobody breaks any exclusivity rules by presenting here because they can just double present event.
57:34If they're already in the Bay Area, that's good.
57:36Uh if they just want to double dip on their work, uh and present in front of an industry audience, that's good.
57:39Uh and yes, I like the the energy of the students.
57:43Uh because a lot of people actually want to hire them.
57:46Uh so, uh Worlds Fair is basically the only place I can do this because I have the real estate.
57:52Uh and so we'll we'll try to do it more, but I I think it was relatively successful this time.
57:56Absolutely.
57:57Thank you.
58:02Uh that might be it.
58:04We have the AIE Singapore team that just came in.
58:07Uh they also did the networking app.
58:09Some of you asked about the networking app.
58:11It's him.
58:11Uh it's it's Sharina Grim.
58:14Uh otherwise I think that is it.
58:16I'm going to call it and I have to go and do the startup battlefield.
58:19But thank you so much for coming.
58:21Come back next year.
58:23Hey