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Hi everyone.

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Uh I'm Swix.

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I'm one of the organizers of this conference.

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Um basically this is one of these open-ended Q&A feedback sessions.

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If you guys have feedback or Q&A about how any of this conference is run, uh I'm the guy to answer everything.

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We actually really do take the feedback and implement it at our next conference.

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Uh we're going to announce that we're back here a year from now in 2027 as well as in New York uh which is our next conference immediately focused on finance

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and anything money and AI.

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Um so this kind of very open-ended.

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If you have questions, we'll do it.

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If no questions, I'm just going to end early.

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So, over to you.

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Anyone has questions?

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Yeah.

s15
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So, uh let me let me refra uh let me paraphrase so I can people hear.

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Uh what about an AI safety or existential risk track next year?

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Um that usually happens in Ligh Haven up north in Berkeley.

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Um I would say that uh typically it is not so much engineering.

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Um I would say that typically it is a form of like discussion and research and theory that uh we typically don't put as a track.

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Uh because mostly I want people to do stuff that they would use at work.

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That's like kind of my dividing line.

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Um that said, we're very pro people organizing their own uh meetups.

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We have places to for uh attendees to present uh which I think is very important for people to speak.

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Um we'll have other venues like uh for example we also did not have AI for science this year and obviously science is a thing that a lot of people do for work.

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Uh but people just organized meetups.

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There was an AI for science meetup and there was there's there can be a meetup or X-risk.

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Um I'm familiar with it.

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I'm a little bit of a doomer.

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I have I've said this before in my public statements.

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Uh, it is just not the purpose of an AI engineer to help with that.

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Yep.

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[laughter]

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Hello.

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Sorry.

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Okay, we're on.

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Um, I guess my only response is that I almost think it should be the job of the AI engineers as much as anyone else to be considering this sort of like

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ongoing loop machine that we're now talking about building and sort of considering okay, what is the endg game of that?

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But yeah, thank you.

s39
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Yeah to to totally and obviously it's not something that I'm people are aware of it there's a whole security track there's a sandboxing track uh you know there there's

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this appears in a lot of our work like if you have any guardrails if you have any evals um our eval track open with labs we're actually a very safety aligned company but they they do vending bench

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um and through vending bench and through frontier evals that involve the real world they actually discover way more alignment issues than people who just vaguely talk about X- risk,

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right?

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Like so to me it's like very interesting to directly point towards a thing that people do at work and the thing that is like leading in the frontier and along the way solve alignment or solve X- risk.

s44
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Um I think at the end of the day the statement that engineers uh AI can be engineered or engineers can wield AI and control AI in the systems is fundamentally a control structure over AI anyway.

s45
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Um, so everyone here is like philosophically aligned to it without necessarily having to put it front and center.

s46
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Uh, first of all, first of all, uh, great event.

s47
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Uh, and I have not so much of a question as, uh, maybe a bit of feedback.

s48
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Do you think, uh, the expo, the expo itself, uh, like maybe four days is too much?

s49
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No. Uh, do you think so?

s50
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Yeah.

s51
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Yeah.

s52
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Yeah.

s53
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I think it's uh kind of pretty like it was kind of half that today almost.

s54
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I would also like think maybe just have a one just fully dedicated day to just like partners on like some networking events and just like session and so maybe one day

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like conference style and workshops only and maybe have the expo only for two days u I mean you know

s56
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yeah okay um I'm not sure that everyone would agree

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um and that's the first thing the second thing is actually I had complaints that there was not enough expo

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[laughter]

s59
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Uh, so the the structure of the conference is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

s60
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The expo only opened at 4 PM on Monday.

s61
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And I had people asked me how come it wasn't open on Monday the whole day, you know.

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Um, all I will say is as long as people staff the expo and and stuff happens and sponsors pay for it, I'm very happy keeping it open.

s63
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Uh I actually think world's fair is different from my other summits in a sense that summits are meant to be very curated and focused on content.

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The world's fairs are meant to be uh more expo actually like this is the the kind of expo that I always imagined where you can just get an expo ticket and walk around all day and get a sense of the field.

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Uh and if you can't make Monday you can come to Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday which actually people do.

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People come on the single days only because obviously they have work.

s67
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Um other things about this um I actually what's very funny is I actually have thought about what if there was even more expo upstairs.

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Uh because I I don't like the time pressure of talks.

s69
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Um I think that you know having to rush to this room that room that this room is very pressuring on everybody attendees and speakers and even us as organizers.

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The natural way that people have conversations here is just kind of walking around I think is great.

s71
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So, what if we turned upstairs into like kind of a content expo?

s72
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Here is like the sponsor expo and people just stood around.

s73
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It's also very tiring to stand around.

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So, I don't know what the right mix is.

s75
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Um, what else would I say about this?

s76
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We also in insert a lot of breaks like you know, we spent a lot on like the puppy corner and like the uh the poster sessions and the music corner and like you know, Grav even brought in the uh you like the music corner.

s77
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Um, people complained about the music corner.

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They were like, "Ah, it's like interrupting my quiet time outside."

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And I'm like, "Well, you can go upstairs to the leadership lounge.

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You can come downstairs to the expo."

s81
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I don't know.

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Um, I like music, so I at the music

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[laughter]

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corner.

s85
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uh, can we have you as a speaker back at Shift in Croatia?

s86
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Oo, I love Shift.

s87
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I love Shift.

s88
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You're coming back this year or next?

s89
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Uh, I have just lost my passport.

s90
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I'm stuck in the US until I get my new passport.

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Um, but yeah, so uh for those who don't know, AIE was started inspired by Shift in Croatia.

s92
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Shift is one of the best conferences I've ever been to and spoken at.

s93
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Um, and Ivonne is, you know, a mentor of mine for organizing AIE.

s94
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Uh, and potentially, you know, running it as a as a business that that can be sold.

s95
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Um, yeah, I would love to come back.

s96
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I just haven't really I I you know now I now I travel to other AIES around the world uh by uh you know this this year basically we're between four to five partner conferences in Miami,

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Melbourne, Sydney, Shanghai uh Shanghai is still TBD but uh Paris is also going to happen uh and Singapore and so I already have a lot of travel then like adding travel to nonE

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conferences is is is a big ask but shift is We also had uh visitors from we are developers and other some other uh large conferences.

s99
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Uh we're apparently starting to show up on other people's radars you know like we are a lot younger.

s100
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I don't know how old is shift like seven eight years old

s101
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15.

s102
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Yeah.

s103
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So like we are three years old.

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Um and bigger than a lot of other I think we're bigger than Shift now.

s105
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um like it's it's it's interesting that like how we merge in with the other conference um companies and and how we figure in the landscape of the marketing charts and

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time calendars of of uh you know our sponsors and our attendees uh and so I'm I'm kind of sensitive to how we fit in the broader scale because we're not the only conference that people will go to.

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Hello.

s108
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Hi.

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Hi.

s110
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So I'm coming down from Bangalore.

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uh this is my second AI engineers worldfare here uh that I'm attending.

s112
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So I was just wondering that how AIE chapters are growing.

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Is there a plan for bringing this to India?

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Probably Bangalore or any of uh the cities eventually.

s115
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Yeah.

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You're the fifth Indian to ask me that in this.

s117
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Exactly.

s118
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We need that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, obviously there's high demand and there's a lot of people in India.

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Uh yeah, there is uh we have a partner uh Gortech.

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I think uh you know them.

s125
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Um basically we have partnerships program.

s126
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They're on the website.

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You go to AI.engineers.

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engineers scroll down you see the partnerships section we have about 40 countries lined up that all want to do some kind of AIE in their country and we are not going to reach every country right so uh the the idea is just like to scalably do the TED TED versus TEDex model of like okay I run the

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main TED and everyone can have the TED in TEDex in their country as long as it serves them I don't care like you know like I mean actually I I care in sense of like I want the brand to still stand for something

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uh and have meaningful conversations and and have good technical content Um but I don't want to be the limiting factor on countries having their own community and if AI can help that then why not

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u and so so India is one of those places where I'm like I don't really know the country that well but if you guys want to take it and run with it yeah absolutely sure so that we have somebody that I've been talking to since um AI Singapore that wants to do it for Bangalore

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um and presumably the other cities as well I think we probably start with Bangalore.

s133
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Yeah.

s134
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No, that that makes sense.

s135
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And is there a plan for like communities like these the chapters that like uh let's say people can join and we can join and be a part of it?

s136
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Yeah.

s137
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So actually AIE has no community apart from the social media pages and Twitter and and LinkedIn and a very inactive Slack.

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Uh it we you know I only focus on inerson community.

s139
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I think it would be very interesting to build online community, but I much prefer us live on other existing platforms because that's where people already hang out.

s140
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I don't want to add yet another Slack to your already 200 Slacks.

s141
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I have too many Slacks.

s142
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Like, I don't need another Slack, but I'm already in Twitter.

s143
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AIE is integrated in Twitter.

s144
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By the way, it's free marketing for AIE every time you tweet about AIE.

s145
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Like, it's there's just many reasons to just integrate on your existing social media.

s146
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anyway your existing blogs um and we we get by on that uh we there are meetups um AIE Italy has been meeting for a long time a London has been meeting for a long time

s147
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u and I think there's I think AIE Argentina there is one of the South American countries is meeting so people can organize meetups we provide support um and uh I think that's that's the community really like

s148
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I would don't even think about it as the AIE community I think about it just more as like if you're an engineer in AI you will sometimes come to AIE

s149
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Sometimes you go to other not as good conferences and then you think about how great AI was and you come back.

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[laughter]

s151
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Awesome.

s152
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Thank you.

s153
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Oh, thanks Yan for being the the mic guy.

s154
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[laughter]

s155
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Yan is a like multiple time speaker as well and like uh it's great to have you here.

s156
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Hey.

s157
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Hey.

s158
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It's uh Eric Nes.

s159
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I organized the AI engineer meetup in Minneapolis.

s160
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Hey.

s161
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We were just talking about this.

s162
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Yeah, you can start your own meetup.

s163
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You just

s164
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you can just do things.

s165
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DM Swix.

s166
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Just DM Swix.

s167
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Uh, so the production here has been awesome and I'm just wondering like for local meetups, do you have any quick tips for how to up production value?

s168
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production value.

s169
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That's an interesting one.

s170
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Um, I don't because I think it is or I organized meetups for years before I did my first conference talk and I think that meetups are a labor of love and they're always last minute and you're always looking for speakers, you're always looking for venues,

s171
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you're always ordering pizzas and what have you and that's that's the norm.

s172
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Um the production it usually just involves a group of volunteers that all help each other out.

s173
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Like you don't definitely don't do it alone.

s174
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I think definitely having a home where like people consistently know this is the same venue, same time of the month like let's say we meet every fourth Thursday or something, you know.

s175
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Yep.

s176
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Um, and then lastly, it's just always the polish in like selection of speakers and then the way you record it, if you record it.

s177
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Um, I definitely do not think you need to record the whole thing.

s178
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Basically, I think there are some meetups that run effectively as mini conferences where they do two to five talks a meet every meetup and it's just talk talk talk and then c

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this discussion and then you end.

s180
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I think that the the possible things that you can do at meetups are much wider that you can do other activities that mingle a lot more and you can um in Portland they used to do these like beer things and you just go out and have beers in a beer garden.

s181
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Um and that's fun.

s182
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That's a meetup.

s183
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Uh it doesn't always have to be like a mini conference talk like this like this stuff.

s184
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Yeah.

s185
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We usually do like some social time, two talks and then a little bit more social time.

s186
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So

s187
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yeah.

s188
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So I would say that that is the norm and that is uh what a an average meetup should be

s189
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and then and then if you want to add a little bit more flare on it, you have the website, you have the prestigious company sponsoring it, you have like top speakers whenever they're in town, they go they go to that meetup because that's the one that's known because it has a Twitter account and a YouTube channel and

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all has all this stuff.

s191
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It's just all extra work on top of just organizing the meetup.

s192
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Okay.

s193
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Um maybe you can talk to JS uh look at look for JS.la LA I would say as that's a a pretty successful meetup.

s194
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Okay.

s195
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Uh that is wellrun well produced.

s196
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Uh it like I think if you figure out the event organization and then publishing that's the 8020 of it.

s197
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You don't really need a ton else of like infrastructure or company organization around it.

s198
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Um

s199
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and to some extent I I want to keep it the bar low and accessible.

s200
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You can always up it.

s201
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You can always start end up running your own conference.

s202
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Uh just be prepared for it to be your full-time job

s203
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[laughter]

s204
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and uh it can it's not for everybody.

s205
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Okay.

s206
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Yeah.

s207
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Well, thank you.

s208
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I' I've really enjoyed myself here.

s209
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Thanks for coming, man.

s210
00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:10.639
Thank you.

s211
00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.639
Yeah.

s212
00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.440
Uh more questions, more feedback.

s213
00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.240
Um again, yeah.

s214
00:15:19.680 --> 00:15:24.560
Uh so mainly my feedback is around like I think Monday the workshops, right?

s215
00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:33.839
I feel like if there's a way to like sign up online for a room because like I spent half the day waiting in line to get into a room that I never got into.

s216
00:15:33.839 --> 00:15:34.240
Yeah.

s217
00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:38.959
Um yeah, this is something that we failed uh attendees this year.

s218
00:15:38.959 --> 00:15:40.240
I'm sorry about that.

s219
00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:51.360
Um some some like we have roughly equalized rooms, but we don't have equaliz allocation to make.

s220
00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:53.519
I mean the trade-off is that everything is recorded.

s221
00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:57.440
So, I just say like if if a room is full, go to your number two, go to your number three.

s222
00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:01.759
Um uh but yes, people want to pre-register.

s223
00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:10.560
Um we tried to we paid a vendor a lot of money for the mobile app for the conference and we couldn't make it work for the pre-registration for the workshops.

s224
00:16:10.560 --> 00:16:12.399
I don't I personally wasn't involved.

s225
00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:16.079
So, my team just said like we tried it and it's not the right fit.

s226
00:16:16.079 --> 00:16:17.360
So, next year we'll try it.

s227
00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.519
Uh people always want registration.

s228
00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:26.240
Uh I will I will just generally say that um you know I register for things and I also don't show up.

s229
00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:26.441
So

s230
00:16:26.441 --> 00:16:27.040
[laughter]

s231
00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:35.680
uh I think there needs to be some better organization that that we owe you as an attendee to do that we haven't done and you know I I'm disappointed in that we didn't do it this year.

s232
00:16:35.680 --> 00:16:40.240
I I I seriously thought this was the year that we would start doing workshops uh registrations.

s233
00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:42.720
Um and we promise people that we didn't do it.

s234
00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:44.560
Um it's mostly a software issue.

s235
00:16:44.560 --> 00:16:47.040
We got to figure it out.

s236
00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:48.560
Thank you.

s237
00:16:48.560 --> 00:16:50.000
Again, it's all recorded, right?

s238
00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:59.120
Like, you know, I I think that it's the UX of who gets in the room and then how quickly do you know you're not getting in the room so you can go to the next thing.

s239
00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.600
So, uh I am optimized for that.

s240
00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:03.759
I know that that is a pain point.

s241
00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:11.760
Um yeah, I'm I heard as they say maybe I I have one as well.

s242
00:17:11.760 --> 00:17:12.000
Yeah.

s243
00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.319
Uh is the maximum size of the conference that you're planning?

s244
00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:21.520
I mean given the capacity of the venue because I I feel like it's it's not necessarily like the bigger the better always.

s245
00:17:21.520 --> 00:17:21.760
Yeah.

s246
00:17:21.760 --> 00:17:22.160
Yeah.

s247
00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:32.480
I agree and um we did go for size in uh as far as the world fair is concerned because size has its own benefits because it can pull some of the top speakers that we have.

s248
00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:36.000
Um but then there's also such a thing as too big.

s249
00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.440
So I haven't announced this yet but you guys get a special preview.

s250
00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:43.600
We're going to go on to the closing keynotes and say next year we're not growing.

s251
00:17:43.600 --> 00:17:46.480
So next year, same size, same venue, same everything.

s252
00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:48.080
And we just optimized.

s253
00:17:48.080 --> 00:17:54.400
Uh it was the idea that now all of our sponsors have seen what a world's fair at Moscone looks like.

s254
00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.160
All of our attendees have seen it.

s255
00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.720
All of our um speakers have seen it.

s256
00:17:58.720 --> 00:17:59.280
That's all.

s257
00:17:59.280 --> 00:18:02.480
And most importantly, my employees have all seen it.

s258
00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:05.919
So now we actually know what a world's fair looks like at Mosone.

s259
00:18:05.919 --> 00:18:10.799
We're just going to do this every year until we get good and then we can grow.

s260
00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:26.400
And so I think probably next year like I there was some rooms that were still empty like level three was still kind of I think we can just optimize the usage of the existing space better but we have the exact same week booked next year

s261
00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:35.280
and so we can just come back like we you know we I so I'm very comfortable making the promise of that nothing like we won't grow in terms of like

s262
00:18:35.280 --> 00:18:46.880
changing to a larger venue or anything like that and I think I want everyone to have a much experience including us organizing so that um you know this becomes a sustainable

s263
00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.640
industry conference like I want this to last decades.

s264
00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:52.400
I want this to be an industry institution.

s265
00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.280
This is not a quick hyperrowth hustle for me.

s266
00:18:55.280 --> 00:19:02.480
You know I I really believe that AI engineering deserves uh you know the top conference that uh that we can kind we can run.

s267
00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:07.919
So yeah, I I I feel the the the the the the comments mostly from Europeans.

s268
00:19:07.919 --> 00:19:10.160
Uh which is like very interesting.

s269
00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:18.559
Um but yeah, I I I definitely don't like the very very very very big like reinvent type AWS things in in Las Vegas.

s270
00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:21.440
So we will never leave San Francisco.

s271
00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:27.120
Um Moscone is it at least for this year and next year and probably the next five years.

s272
00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:33.919
Um, in fact, my joke is the next step up from here is that I raise money and I build a new building.

s273
00:19:33.919 --> 00:19:36.640
Uh, because I there's there's things about Moscone I don't like.

s274
00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.280
So, um, what does that look like, right?

s275
00:19:39.280 --> 00:19:40.880
Um, so we we'll see.

s276
00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:47.039
Uh, but you know, I think I always joke like the business of tech actually just funds real estate.

s277
00:19:47.039 --> 00:19:49.280
It's not the, you know, it's not the other way around.

s278
00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:58.400
Anyway, I I that's a little bit of a ramble, but um there is that that is the intention that we only grow by geog geography and like accessibility to other countries,

s279
00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:02.960
but as far as San Francisco is concerned, this is we're going to stay put for a while.

s280
00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:05.200
Thank you.

s281
00:20:05.840 --> 00:20:09.679
I don't know if this came up, but the Wi-Fi really was bad.

s282
00:20:09.679 --> 00:20:16.320
Like even the presenters were not able to present their demos in the workshops mainly.

s283
00:20:16.320 --> 00:20:18.400
I don't know if it's up to you or

s284
00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.640
No, we got we got uh we got complaints, we got demands for refunds, everything.

s285
00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:23.919
Uh it happens every year.

s286
00:20:23.919 --> 00:20:30.559
Um uh and you know, we we pay maximum for whatever the Wi-Fi package they offer us is.

s287
00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.559
And so beyond that, what can we do?

s288
00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:40.480
Um and the the truth of it is most of these venues are not set up for engineers downloading gigabytes of things per laptop every time.

s289
00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:42.880
Like they they're not that kind of conference venue.

s290
00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:52.320
Um, so, uh, to me the this is an improvement from last year because we're no longer in basement 3 of the Marriott where there's no reception.

s291
00:20:52.320 --> 00:20:54.159
Here, at least everyone can tether.

s292
00:20:54.159 --> 00:20:55.679
Uh, and that's good.

s293
00:20:55.679 --> 00:20:59.760
As far as speakers were concerned, uh, we actually did have a separate speaker Wi-Fi.

s294
00:20:59.760 --> 00:21:07.600
Uh, I'm not sure that every speaker was told about it, but as far as I I was always on the speaker Wi-Fi and I never got any issue.

s295
00:21:07.600 --> 00:21:12.240
Uh, and also sponsors have a separate Wi-Fi as well, so we want to make sure the sponsors can do their demos.

s296
00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.039
Um but as far as attendees, yes, there will be congestion.

s297
00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.760
Um we try to pay for the max of everything.

s298
00:21:17.760 --> 00:21:26.960
The other, you know, I think the next option from here is I don't know build buying our own hots hotspots and like giving everyone like second Wi-Fi things.

s299
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:28.080
Um it's not great.

s300
00:21:28.080 --> 00:21:30.320
It's never been great at any conference I've ever been to.

s301
00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:35.679
So I that's that's the uncomfortable answer that I have to give right now.

s302
00:21:35.679 --> 00:21:38.224
Unless you know a Wi-Fi person.

s303
00:21:38.224 --> 00:21:40.224
[laughter]

s304
00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:41.360
Yeah.

s305
00:21:41.360 --> 00:21:43.120
How many satellites do you need?

s306
00:21:43.120 --> 00:21:47.120
How many dishes do you need to serve 7,000 people?

s307
00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.600
I don't know.

s308
00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.280
Starting cool though.

s309
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:57.600
Hey, how's it going?

s310
00:21:57.600 --> 00:21:58.880
Uh my name is Justin.

s311
00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:01.280
This is my first uh AI engineer.

s312
00:22:01.280 --> 00:22:02.320
Welcome event.

s313
00:22:02.320 --> 00:22:05.120
Um I frequently travel to China.

s314
00:22:05.120 --> 00:22:12.400
Uh I saw that there's a Shanghai uh possibly but you just mentioned that it's TVD.

s315
00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:12.880
Yep.

s316
00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.200
So is that why uh there is a weight list?

s317
00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:17.440
Okay.

s318
00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:17.760
Okay.

s319
00:22:17.760 --> 00:22:20.080
Just wanted to confirm that and make sure.

s320
00:22:20.080 --> 00:22:21.120
Uh thank you.

s321
00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:21.520
Yeah.

s322
00:22:21.520 --> 00:22:24.159
Uh right now targeted at November.

s323
00:22:24.159 --> 00:22:26.960
This date has shifted back two times already.

s324
00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.240
Um

s325
00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:37.039
I don't know we uh we we these are all we rely on external partners uh that we work with to organize the international events.

s326
00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:38.720
Uh but we want to do Shanghai.

s327
00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:50.000
We want to bring American researchers and engineers to meet their Chinese counterparts and have that exchange because I think uh that will at least give people an opportunity to understand who's on the other side.

s328
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:55.600
Um I mean it's pretty good that they come here but we should do the other the other way too.

s329
00:22:56.159 --> 00:22:57.520
I I I find it interesting.

s330
00:22:57.520 --> 00:22:59.760
That's your first That's your first question.

s331
00:22:59.760 --> 00:23:02.559
You given that it's your first time coming to AIE.

s332
00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:03.520
You didn't have anything else.

s333
00:23:03.520 --> 00:23:04.960
You just want this to be in Shanghai.

s334
00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.650
That's your question.

s335
00:23:06.650 --> 00:23:08.650
[laughter]

s336
00:23:11.600 --> 00:23:12.240
Uh okay.

s337
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:13.840
Other questions or feedback?

s338
00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:17.360
We don't have to take the full period.

s339
00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:18.480
Yes.

s340
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:21.280
Oh, hello.

s341
00:23:23.840 --> 00:23:24.159
Hey.

s342
00:23:24.159 --> 00:23:25.360
Um, my name is Alex.

s343
00:23:25.360 --> 00:23:31.280
So, first of all, thank you for such a great event and uh I'm first time on AI engineer and it's really cool.

s344
00:23:31.280 --> 00:23:37.440
Um, I really like the idea of the leadership track and really cool stuff there.

s345
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:49.280
The uh uh the one improvement there that I I think would be really good which we actually experienced earlier this morning is to have more like free time to chat and share the experience among the leaders.

s346
00:23:49.280 --> 00:23:57.440
So you you have a lot of great speakers already lined up but with all the leadership you also bring a lot of experience across the a lot of companies

s347
00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:09.679
having the opportunity to just share the experience with each other and maybe have open-ended sessions with the topic saying like how the organization work how you figuring out the product how you figuring out the design.

s348
00:24:09.679 --> 00:24:14.880
I think that would be a great addition to this like just let people to share their experience.

s349
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:15.600
Yeah.

s350
00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:27.279
Um, I agree, but I don't know if that is my top top priority because people can still exchange contacts and meet tomorrow.

s351
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:28.240
Tomorrow is Friday.

s352
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:29.200
It's a holiday.

s353
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:30.240
People can still meet.

s354
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.000
They don't have to meet here.

s355
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.559
Um, they also there was also the leadership lounge where people could hang out all day.

s356
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:41.120
This is basically like if you want to chat, you can just not go to the sessions.

s357
00:24:41.120 --> 00:24:44.960
So like it's it's that that is that is an open debate, right?

s358
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:45.279
Right.

s359
00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:54.720
So should I content max or should I use the time and just schedule nothing in that time and just let people talk or just give you an option.

s360
00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:56.240
That that is an that is an option.

s361
00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:01.120
So to me the option to not attend sessions is built into everything at AIE, right?

s362
00:25:01.120 --> 00:25:05.600
You can just not attend anything and just talk and a lot of people do that.

s363
00:25:05.600 --> 00:25:14.720
And so then a question of like okay I've I think you have your own free will and autonomy to do all those things.

s364
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:18.080
You have the space the the lounge um to do that.

s365
00:25:18.080 --> 00:25:19.760
Then what else am I optimizing for?

s366
00:25:19.760 --> 00:25:26.960
I'm kind of just optimizing for getting the best speakers and content I can online so that everyone can benefit online.

s367
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.120
And so then I just give them the space.

s368
00:25:29.120 --> 00:25:33.279
And sometimes people speak to rooms where it's like 80% not full.

s369
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.480
it's okay because they get their stuff, they get the story out.

s370
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:40.480
Sometimes it's very very good and actually it does a lot better online than it does in person.

s371
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:46.559
Um, so then I'm like, okay, I much rather have that than leave it blank where we pay for this space and we didn't use it.

s372
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.559
But I understand this this perspective.

s373
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:56.480
I would say that um as far as the summits go or like in in London for example, um there was no separate leadership track.

s374
00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:07.279
There was basically leadership lunchons and the lunchons were very good because we had basically five 10 minutes guided discussion and then the the rest the rest of the hour was just

s375
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:14.559
chat across tables among everything and we focused the conversation around like three topics that we that we sort of prime people on.

s376
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:16.559
Um and that was very well reviewed.

s377
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:18.799
Um people like said we should bring that back.

s378
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:20.240
We didn't do it this time.

s379
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:23.760
Uh but I think for the the summits we can definitely do that.

s380
00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:34.400
Can I give the tactical feedback on the mobile application if you can add filter on location uh to like filter out booth for example if you're looking for agenda or something like that.

s381
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:35.600
Ah uh

s382
00:26:35.600 --> 00:26:37.200
very tactical small thing.

s383
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:43.120
Um if if I'm I assume you don't you're talking about the dedicated mobile app right?

s384
00:26:43.120 --> 00:26:44.799
Yeah, the the dick mobile.

s385
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:58.480
So, uh if if I have my way, uh that will go away next year and we will just do the web app um as a as its own its own thing.

s386
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:07.520
Um so, I mean I I I hope that this was useful to people because I I would love to have this because then I can vibe code whatever filter I want.

s387
00:27:07.520 --> 00:27:10.000
Um I don't know.

s388
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:12.960
Um, yeah, we want to get rid of that vendor.

s389
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.600
Yeah, honestly, uh, that app is a slob.

s390
00:27:15.600 --> 00:27:16.159
Uh,

s391
00:27:16.159 --> 00:27:16.880
which one?

s392
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.320
Well, the the mobile app.

s393
00:27:18.320 --> 00:27:19.200
It's

s394
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:20.000
Oh, okay.

s395
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.159
Some people say they liked it because well, for example, it doesn't filter like the past sessions.

s396
00:27:24.159 --> 00:27:26.559
You'll have to scroll down like I mean

s397
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.240
just set the filter and that's it.

s398
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:28.480
Yeah.

s399
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:29.520
Yeah.

s400
00:27:29.520 --> 00:27:30.400
It's rough.

s401
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:31.279
Okay.

s402
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:38.000
No, this is why I have resisted making an app for like for us even though we can code.

s403
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.679
I resisted making an app for a long time because they all suck, right?

s404
00:27:41.679 --> 00:27:45.200
So actually the only app you like is the one that you made.

s405
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:49.840
So why don't I just publish all my all my JSON files, right?

s406
00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:52.080
And then go knock yourself out.

s407
00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:56.960
So there was nothing stopping you from vi coding your own stuff because the the data was open the whole time.

s408
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:04.320
We have MCPS and CLI and um uh people some people did it, some people don't.

s409
00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:15.520
uh but you could you could always like if if there's any conference where you can vi code your own app it's this this one so why not uh I mean but obviously we should provide a good default and so next year I want to take control of that

s410
00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:28.080
um because I think I finally understand what we need to show people um and it took me three years to learn this problem because my my sample size is not that high this is only the seventh AIE

s411
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.799
the game is really cool the game Um,

s412
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:35.840
people,

s413
00:28:35.840 --> 00:28:38.399
a lot of people asked what you spoke about.

s414
00:28:38.399 --> 00:28:39.760
When do we get your keynote?

s415
00:28:39.760 --> 00:28:42.320
When do we get you to do an online talk?

s416
00:28:42.320 --> 00:28:44.000
When do we get to hear your takes?

s417
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:45.360
I did a keynote yesterday.

s418
00:28:45.360 --> 00:28:47.840
Um, Tuesday.

s419
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.679
DJ,

s420
00:28:49.679 --> 00:28:50.559
I thought I don't know.

s421
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.000
I was pretty happy with my keynote.

s422
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:56.960
Uh, basically it's like the idea was uh everyone is doing loops.

s423
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:58.399
Oo, look at that.

s424
00:28:58.399 --> 00:29:05.120
Um, everyone's doing loops and um, sorry, I think this is very distracting.

s425
00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:09.679
This was just part of uh, you know, the content the CLI is out there.

s426
00:29:09.679 --> 00:29:09.840
Yeah.

s427
00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:10.080
Okay.

s428
00:29:10.080 --> 00:29:11.200
This is

s429
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:12.000
this for the

s430
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:17.679
So only only Opus decided to do an auto tour thing so I don't have to touch it and it tours through all the talks.

s431
00:29:17.679 --> 00:29:19.120
Um, okay.

s432
00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:26.555
So um yeah my talks I don't know I have a podcast I don't need to speak

s433
00:29:26.555 --> 00:29:26.960
[laughter]

s434
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.360
to talks

s435
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:40.000
um yeah just one other point um I thought of just now was that the breakout workshops are really cool but sometimes 20 minutes is just like not enough to get through anything of sort of substance

s436
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:52.880
um and I thought the workshops themselves are really good because you had an actual hour to see how it actually looks in practice as opposed to sort of like one vendor being like Yeah, we have this app and this is what it can do and you just kind of it's very high level.

s437
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.080
So if they could consider like a mixture of lengths of um

s438
00:29:56.080 --> 00:29:58.799
you know we mixed them right we actually did

s439
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.200
okay nothing I went to was long.

s440
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:01.440
Yeah.

s441
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:01.600
Yeah.

s442
00:30:01.600 --> 00:30:06.000
So so I mean it wasn't that super obvious but um um

s443
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.440
that's on that's on me.

s444
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:07.679
Yeah.

s445
00:30:07.679 --> 00:30:08.480
No it's it's fine.

s446
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:11.200
It's only I know everything right.

s447
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:16.480
Um so every day had a workshop uh schedule.

s448
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:29.679
So this today this is the the workshop one where people have like this is basically two backtoback sessions this 45 minutes uh and then every day had a workshop room

s449
00:30:29.679 --> 00:30:41.760
where if you had longer form content I would give you that room so this is workshop this is basically room four had their workshops day um so every day had that but a lot of people just have talks so

s450
00:30:41.760 --> 00:30:49.279
I did um one of the three or four inspirations of AIE is GDC, Game DevCon.

s451
00:30:49.279 --> 00:31:03.440
GDC does a lot of one-hour workshops where it's like, okay, here's everything about web slinging in Spider-Man 4 and and they do that and those those are typically what you do in these kind of workshop rooms.

s452
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:06.960
Others would be more sort of quick hits like lightning talk like type type things.

s453
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:14.640
Um, I would say that attention uh online attention on YouTube is going shorter and shorter in terms of attention spans.

s454
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:26.320
So honestly making people condense into 20 minutes is pretty good and we have an entire workshop day 10 tracks of workshop day on the first day as well as three

s455
00:31:26.320 --> 00:31:28.640
workshop rooms across the remainder of the days.

s456
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.159
I feel like it's enough.

s457
00:31:30.159 --> 00:31:36.000
Um, you know, arguably it's can can be up or up or down, but we have something.

s458
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.039
I Yeah, I do want people to go deep.

s459
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:49.600
Many people don't have don't deserve the time, but they want the time, and so I don't give it to them.

s460
00:31:56.320 --> 00:31:58.640
Hey, um thanks a lot for organizing this.

s461
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:04.640
It's been really great for the um for all these subtracks are is all of it going on YouTube.

s462
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:05.279
Is it all recorded?

s463
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:05.519
Yeah,

s464
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:06.480
every single one.

s465
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:07.039
Yeah.

s466
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:22.960
And then maybe this has been asked already but like continuity if there's a track let's say vision and OCR is is there an attempt to make uh there be like a consistent level of depth or like like sometimes there's repeat subject matter between uh subsequent speakers

s467
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:34.080
and obviously if if if you're going for you know the YouTube experience maybe having it self-contained in 25 minutes is the best experience but how do you think of like weaving a common thread in like a 4 hour block?

s468
00:32:34.080 --> 00:32:45.519
Uh I we do actually I I um in previous AIES I would have I would manually do it of like try to sequence and cluster topics together.

s469
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:46.720
Uh Jazelle was here.

s470
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.679
She was in the MCP block of the context engineering track, right?

s471
00:32:49.679 --> 00:32:56.399
They're all MCP and I I sequence them so they like kind of like se segue into each other because I know the the content of every single talk.

s472
00:32:56.399 --> 00:33:01.519
Um sometimes it's just impossible if the speaker cannot come in the morning.

s473
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.480
They have work.

s474
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:02.799
Mhm.

s475
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:04.017
What are you going to do?

s476
00:33:04.017 --> 00:33:04.559
[laughter]

s477
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:10.080
So, you try very very hard to have this pristine, beautiful schedule and then people have lives.

s478
00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:10.399
Yeah,

s479
00:33:10.399 --> 00:33:11.440
it's very annoying.

s480
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:13.120
I need them to not have lives.

s481
00:33:13.120 --> 00:33:16.640
I need them to just come here and only do this.

s482
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.960
But unfortunately, this just not realistic.

s483
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:28.000
Um, so, uh, you know, uh, we we we basically try to optimize, but I think you're right in that YouTube standalone is the format to optimize for.

s484
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:34.720
I can craft a narrative with my playlist, which I I set up playlist for every single track that nobody uses.

s485
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.423
So, I do it, but

s486
00:33:37.423 --> 00:33:39.423
[laughter]

s487
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.279
Eric for number two.

s488
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:50.320
Yep.

s489
00:33:50.320 --> 00:33:56.399
Um, so appreciated the new engineer orientation this year.

s490
00:33:56.399 --> 00:33:57.360
I haven't been the last.

s491
00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:58.159
You liked it?

s492
00:33:58.159 --> 00:33:58.640
Yeah.

s493
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.600
But I feel like it could have been more thorough.

s494
00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:15.280
Um, it kind of hit a couple highlights, but like the next day I still wasn't sure if lunch was going to be served or uh like how to manage the schedule and

s495
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:16.240
things like that.

s496
00:34:16.240 --> 00:34:18.240
So,

s497
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.000
you know, again,

s498
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:20.800
we can improve this

s499
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.760
in the context everything is great, but like

s500
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:30.879
that was one thing that still felt a little bit uh like I could have used some more information before Monday morning hit.

s501
00:34:30.879 --> 00:34:35.599
I think again this is related to the previous comment about how next year we will not grow.

s502
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:40.000
We will see the same venue, same location, same time, same everything.

s503
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.919
So that we have a year to like to prepare y

s504
00:34:43.919 --> 00:34:46.639
and we now have 7,000 people who have been through this.

s505
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:47.280
Yep.

s506
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.440
So uh I think that we just need to optimize our processes.

s507
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:57.760
This year my team was just keep like struggling to already organize the actual days.

s508
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:04.000
Having an extra load to organize NEO was was a you know was was an undertaking that I think I underestimated.

s509
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:08.720
I really wanted more onboarding and in instead it became more networking and it's fine.

s510
00:35:08.720 --> 00:35:10.720
It's just not not full on boarding.

s511
00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:12.960
We had an attendee guide that we put together.

s512
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:14.400
I don't think most people saw it.

s513
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:15.680
It's online.

s514
00:35:15.680 --> 00:35:16.000
Okay.

s515
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:16.240
Yeah.

s516
00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:18.160
I didn't see that one.

s517
00:35:18.160 --> 00:35:18.400
Yeah.

s518
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.040
Yeah.

s519
00:35:19.040 --> 00:35:19.280
Yeah.

s520
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:19.760
again,

s521
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.800
we send a lot of emails and not everyone reads the emails.

s522
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.359
No, I mean this is a tiny little

s523
00:35:25.359 --> 00:35:34.560
No, I I I appreciate that and and I mean uh you know Justin over there is a first- timer and like I I'm sure he could have used better onboarding.

s524
00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:38.000
I don't know if you went to our NEO the new new engineer onboarding.

s525
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:38.240
Yes.

s526
00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:39.599
No, you did.

s527
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:40.079
Yeah.

s528
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:46.000
Uh so like uh the NEO came out of this kind of feedback session at the last conference, right?

s529
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:46.160
Right.

s530
00:35:46.160 --> 00:35:53.119
And then we were like, "Okay, well, we went from zero orientation to a little bit and like I think the next one will will get a lot better."

s531
00:35:53.119 --> 00:36:00.079
But yeah, I I um I didn't know some of the answers that you some of the questions that you had questions for anyway.

s532
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:04.079
So, uh it's this process of discovery, I guess.

s533
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.119
Yeah.

s534
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:06.880
Just one small piece of feedback.

s535
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:07.200
So,

s536
00:36:07.200 --> 00:36:07.680
thank you.

s537
00:36:07.680 --> 00:36:09.680
Yeah.

s538
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.200
Kevin, I want you to say something Andy.

s539
00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:13.970
you've you've been to

s540
00:36:13.970 --> 00:36:14.000
[snorts]

s541
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.240
many of these.

s542
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.920
So, um, sorry, I joined late, so it may be that

s543
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.720
Q&A FnB.

s544
00:36:20.720 --> 00:36:21.040
Yeah.

s545
00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:21.200
Right.

s546
00:36:21.200 --> 00:36:21.520
Right.

s547
00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:25.839
It may be that some of the questions, some of the things that I point out have already been pointed out.

s548
00:36:25.839 --> 00:36:26.720
So, sorry for that.

s549
00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:31.520
Um, but it does kind of segue into one of the things that I have is that

s550
00:36:31.520 --> 00:36:40.960
I feel as if though there were so many talks and so many interesting sessions that I wanted to be in that at some point I kind of just gave up.

s551
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.800
I'm like, okay, I can just watch them at home.

s552
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:43.440
Y

s553
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:46.240
and like part of it makes sense.

s554
00:36:46.240 --> 00:36:46.640
Sure.

s555
00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:48.560
Like I cannot be in two places at once.

s556
00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:50.400
Um so it was going to happen anyways.

s557
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:50.880
Yeah.

s558
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:57.440
But I do really enjoy the part of talking to the speaker afterwards and being able to ask questions and and and know more about that.

s559
00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.680
And so I feel like I lose that

s560
00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:05.359
and it kind of feels that like that sense of okay, I'm already missing two talks, so why not just stay in the expo?

s561
00:37:05.359 --> 00:37:06.400
Why not miss all of them, right?

s562
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:07.440
Why not miss all of them kind of thing?

s563
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:11.280
It's like I'm I'm going to have to sit down and watch them at like 2x when I'm when I'm home.

s564
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:12.320
So it's it's okay.

s565
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:17.200
So, it's one of those things where it'd be nice to have them a bit more maybe less, right?

s566
00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:18.800
But more quality or something like that.

s567
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:19.280
I don't know.

s568
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:20.400
Like the quality was good.

s569
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:21.280
That's the that's the thing.

s570
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.400
Uh it's just yeah, I felt overwhelmed if that makes sense.

s571
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:28.720
So, uh I think what I hear is anxiety, right?

s572
00:37:28.720 --> 00:37:30.960
FOMO, anxiety,

s573
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.119
and it's something I do want to manage.

s574
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.920
At the same time, it's also just a high class problem.

s575
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.079
We have an embarrassment of riches.

s576
00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.720
We happen to be in a golden age of AI and we have, you know, too much food at our table.

s577
00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:46.960
Oh no. Um, you know, the food doesn't spoil.

s578
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:48.720
It it lives online on on YouTube.

s579
00:37:48.720 --> 00:37:54.720
Uh, again, so like um am I is that like that is important to me, but is it the most important thing to me?

s580
00:37:54.720 --> 00:38:00.400
Probably not because I think you have coping mechanisms um which you you handle just fine.

s581
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:00.960
Yeah.

s582
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:07.599
um does uh we have other formats of AIE where there is no there's only one track right

s583
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:15.359
that's what the summit is it's only one track so you can attend a track or not attend a track there is no other track and I think that's very simple

s584
00:38:15.359 --> 00:38:19.280
um that's not what the world fair is fair is the big show

s585
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:19.680
gota

s586
00:38:19.680 --> 00:38:30.640
and we want to create the space for everyone to show their the best work of the year and if they want to go to a more dedicated summit they can to they can but this is where everyone shows their best Got it.

s587
00:38:30.640 --> 00:38:31.040
Got it.

s588
00:38:31.040 --> 00:38:33.440
Um, what else should I say about that?

s589
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:41.920
Um, and you know, if we were covering finance or real estate or healthcare or something like that's fine.

s590
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:46.880
You know, we're covering the fastest moving fields ever.

s591
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:52.720
And so, you should be a little bit uh uncomfortable, right?

s592
00:38:52.720 --> 00:38:55.839
So, if you're completely comfortable, you're probably not being pushed,

s593
00:38:55.839 --> 00:38:56.079
right?

s594
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.079
You're probably falling asleep during the talks.

s595
00:38:58.079 --> 00:38:58.376
Yeah,

s596
00:38:58.376 --> 00:38:58.960
[laughter]

s597
00:38:58.960 --> 00:38:59.680
fair enough.

s598
00:38:59.680 --> 00:39:03.040
And then I don't know if anyone touched on the app itself.

s599
00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:04.480
Uh there were a couple comments.

s600
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.320
Uh do you like it or hate it?

s601
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.240
Um I have mixed feelings.

s602
00:39:08.240 --> 00:39:08.857
So there's there's

s603
00:39:08.857 --> 00:39:09.680
[laughter]

s604
00:39:09.680 --> 00:39:11.839
Yeah, I I can't say I'm fully satisfied.

s605
00:39:11.839 --> 00:39:12.720
Not not going to lie.

s606
00:39:12.720 --> 00:39:17.040
And obviously I'm going to point out all the bad, but take into account this is within the context of

s607
00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:17.920
it mostly worked.

s608
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:18.720
It mostly worked.

s609
00:39:18.720 --> 00:39:19.040
Exactly.

s610
00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:19.200
Yeah.

s611
00:39:19.200 --> 00:39:19.440
Yeah.

s612
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.400
But things like for example on Android it crashed multiple times.

s613
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.440
Like it just if you enter and then exit and try to enter it again, it just at least for me it just crashed.

s614
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:27.680
Yeah.

s615
00:39:27.680 --> 00:39:27.839
Yeah.

s616
00:39:27.839 --> 00:39:28.079
Yeah.

s617
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:29.119
For no reason.

s618
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:36.720
Um, if you enter a talk to see the details of that talk and you go back, you get a loading screen for like several seconds.

s619
00:39:36.720 --> 00:39:37.599
Yeah.

s620
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:38.960
What's it jump to the top,

s621
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:39.200
right?

s622
00:39:39.200 --> 00:39:41.520
Oh, that I didn't didn't jump to the top for me.

s623
00:39:41.520 --> 00:39:43.200
Holy moly, that's even worse.

s624
00:39:43.200 --> 00:39:45.040
But I don't know what's loading

s625
00:39:45.040 --> 00:39:45.599
for for you.

s626
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.480
It it jumps to the you lose your position and scroll.

s627
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:49.200
Okay.

s628
00:39:49.200 --> 00:39:49.760
Right.

s629
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:59.280
Um, you sometimes get the loading screen as well when you're just scrolling down, which I assume is just like fetching more talks from the server, but it's like, can you not pre-do that while I'm scrolling, right?

s630
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.520
Like it feels it feels very 2015.

s631
00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:03.200
So, we we we Yeah.

s632
00:40:03.200 --> 00:40:03.440
Okay.

s633
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:04.400
Uh, but keep going.

s634
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:04.640
Okay.

s635
00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:04.800
Yeah.

s636
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:05.040
Yeah.

s637
00:40:05.040 --> 00:40:14.880
So, um, the my schedule um screen, I would expect it to be very similar to the regular like schedule, just like a filtered down version of the event, but I can still search, I can still filter.

s638
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:15.920
I can't do that.

s639
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:32.079
Uh not only that, the my schedule tab you scroll from the top like from the very first day even though all those other talks have already ended you still have to scroll through all of them to get to today whereas that doesn't happen on the regular like all sessions kind of kind of tab.

s640
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:32.560
Okay.

s641
00:40:32.560 --> 00:40:33.200
Yeah.

s642
00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:34.960
Do you want me to keep going like there's a

s643
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:35.359
Yes, I do.

s644
00:40:35.359 --> 00:40:40.480
Uh because all this is going straight to my uh my team so that we can we can fix it for next time.

s645
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:40.800
Awesome.

s646
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:41.599
Awesome.

s647
00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:45.839
um uh you can't save currently ongoing sessions to your schedule.

s648
00:40:45.839 --> 00:40:49.520
So if there are multiple things going on live and that's happened to me.

s649
00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:56.160
I'm like okay the let me look at what's next and it just so happened to be one minute past you know the the time and so I couldn't save them.

s650
00:40:56.160 --> 00:41:00.800
So it's like okay I want to go to these two let me save one and go to the other and I couldn't do that.

s651
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.640
Um then there's also no syncing between the web and the app.

s652
00:41:04.640 --> 00:41:06.160
I can't log in into the web.

s653
00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:07.359
So if I went on the

s654
00:41:07.359 --> 00:41:08.400
because they're different code bases.

s655
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:08.720
Yeah.

s656
00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:08.960
Right.

s657
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:09.200
Right.

s658
00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:15.359
So, it would be super nice to have that so I can no matter what UI I I use, I see everything synced across.

s659
00:41:15.359 --> 00:41:15.760
Yeah,

s660
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:17.200
that's just nice to have.

s661
00:41:17.200 --> 00:41:20.560
Um, for the booths, it's it just says booth

s662
00:41:20.560 --> 00:41:22.960
like doesn't have a name.

s663
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:29.200
Yeah, it just says the title of whatever they're doing, but then on the calendar icon and it doesn't have the address booth booth

s664
00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:30.319
and it's like okay.

s665
00:41:30.319 --> 00:41:37.760
And so some many of them on the message like when you actually click, they've gone to the lengths of okay, we are at booth whatever blah blah blah.

s666
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:38.800
This is our company.

s667
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:39.760
but some haven't.

s668
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:41.520
So, it's like, "Oh, we're doing this thing."

s669
00:41:41.520 --> 00:41:43.599
And it's like, "But where?"

s670
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:44.480
You just don't know.

s671
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:45.520
There's no way to know.

s672
00:41:45.520 --> 00:41:53.040
Um, so yeah, that's And then there were I I noticed there's a chat and a Q&A features within the the details.

s673
00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:56.160
That's super nice, but I don't think anyone's ever Yeah.

s674
00:41:56.160 --> 00:41:57.119
used any of them.

s675
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.520
So, maybe something you can just remove.

s676
00:41:59.520 --> 00:42:07.119
Um, then the filters themselves, not too cool because when you open the filters, it just I think it just loads like a bunch of the companies.

s677
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:09.200
And so for you to actually

s678
00:42:09.200 --> 00:42:10.240
it's unoptimized.

s679
00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:10.480
Yeah.

s680
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:11.200
Yeah.

s681
00:42:11.200 --> 00:42:15.760
Um and then maybe a nice to have would be potentially like a matching system.

s682
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.960
But this is very nice to have something where it's like I'm interested in seeing people

s683
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:30.720
who are similar to me and I want to talk to them potentially or I want to meet more founders or I want to maybe meet people from like big tech that kind of thing where it's like he's the recommended people you could talk to.

s684
00:42:30.720 --> 00:42:36.800
the leadership track had a a prototype basically of our matching system that we set up.

s685
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:44.319
Uh and we basically built a Facebook where we sort of deep research every leadership attendee uh and and sort of sent that out.

s686
00:42:44.319 --> 00:42:49.040
Um we I want to invest more in that direction because I've seen it work in other conferences.

s687
00:42:49.040 --> 00:42:50.560
I've never seen the chat work.

s688
00:42:50.560 --> 00:42:52.160
Uh so yeah, I agree with that.

s689
00:42:52.160 --> 00:42:56.400
Long story short, that is a v that is an external vendor that we that we purchase.

s690
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.599
Uh and next year I want to rip it out and do our own.

s691
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:00.000
Got it.

s692
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:00.240
Right.

s693
00:43:00.240 --> 00:43:06.480
So, uh, to the extent that you've seen, uh, the website, this one is this one is controlled by me.

s694
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:12.720
Um, and we have the we have the sort of canvas like thing and we have the performance.

s695
00:43:12.720 --> 00:43:13.760
The website's super nice.

s696
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.200
Like it's much easier to navigate.

s697
00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:16.449
Yay, this is me.

s698
00:43:16.449 --> 00:43:17.280
[laughter]

s699
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:25.599
So, so I I I'm somewhat trying to build confidence as an organizer of that we that we not just organize the events, but we also do the event technology

s700
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.119
which are completely separate uh disciplines effectively.

s701
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.040
It's not like I'm I am an engineer.

s702
00:43:31.040 --> 00:43:36.880
It is just that this is a design thing that I wanted to completely uh collect the specs.

s703
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.480
So everything that you just reported, we were recording this session.

s704
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:44.319
Those become the the sort of requirements document for me to do next year's thing.

s705
00:43:44.319 --> 00:43:44.800
Fantastic.

s706
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:45.359
Fantastic.

s707
00:43:45.359 --> 00:43:47.760
I know I threw a whole bunch of things at you.

s708
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:47.920
Yeah.

s709
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:48.240
Yeah.

s710
00:43:48.240 --> 00:43:53.440
I'm glad that you can probably find Yeah, you can probably find my email if you have more that you'd think about later.

s711
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.200
Uh Swix at AI engineer.

s712
00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:59.280
Uh yeah, we want to hear all this and and build a like you know engineers deserve a good app.

s713
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.720
Uh that said uh like I said before to other people.

s714
00:44:02.720 --> 00:44:05.440
Um we have always open sourced our data.

s715
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.400
So if you wanted to vibe code your own you could you could have done that

s716
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.640
and and that's a great thing by the way like I wish more like events did that cuz it's like

s717
00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:14.480
because why should you like Yeah.

s718
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:18.240
I always say like I have never liked a conference app that I that anyone else made.

s719
00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:23.119
I just like the one that I make and I I assume it's the same for every attendee.

s720
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:33.359
Just to extend on that last idea, you can gamify it and put it like the marketplace where people can upload their application.

s721
00:44:33.740 --> 00:44:35.119
[laughter]

s722
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:35.760
This is it.

s723
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.119
This is everybody that submitted.

s724
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.200
There's only three uh four.

s725
00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:40.240
That's it.

s726
00:44:40.240 --> 00:44:42.960
There's not that many submissions.

s727
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:44.875
There's opportunity to grow.

s728
00:44:44.875 --> 00:44:46.875
[laughter]

s729
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:53.599
Hey Sean, thanks again for doing this.

s730
00:44:53.599 --> 00:45:01.839
As you know, um I work for a nonprofit in the sports industry, so um we don't have a lot of money, but we do choose to invest pretty heavily in getting here every year.

s731
00:45:01.839 --> 00:45:03.440
I've done it for four years now.

s732
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:03.680
Um

s733
00:45:03.680 --> 00:45:05.839
thanks for coming back and bringing your team.

s734
00:45:05.839 --> 00:45:06.160
Yeah.

s735
00:45:06.160 --> 00:45:08.079
So I maybe I'll start with that.

s736
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:13.520
Um there are is at least one organization that treats this as part of our annual clock tick.

s737
00:45:13.520 --> 00:45:15.680
This is the investment that we make in our team.

s738
00:45:15.680 --> 00:45:19.760
We spend tens of thousands of dollars to bring our people here because of you.

s739
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:26.240
So for all the feedback and all this kind of thing that you're going to get that's constructive like thanks for making it all happen.

s740
00:45:26.240 --> 00:45:29.839
It goes beyond just the the content and the things that are here and the speakers.

s741
00:45:29.839 --> 00:45:31.440
This is actually how we invest in our team.

s742
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.319
So thanks for being uh sort of a pivotal part in that.

s743
00:45:34.319 --> 00:45:36.800
I have a related so persuant to the word invest.

s744
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.960
I have a related suggestion but I want to I want to hear your feedback first.

s745
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:49.680
Um and just the way that we approach that is like when when we come here, we actually um also get together a month before to prepare for being here.

s746
00:45:49.680 --> 00:45:49.920
Yes.

s747
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.359
That's what I want in every team.

s748
00:45:51.359 --> 00:45:51.599
Yep.

s749
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:57.760
So we've created our own little internal level up summit to make sure that everyone is here to get the most out of the time that we're together.

s750
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:05.839
Um and then when we're here, it is like we rent a suite, we get beer and pizza every night, and we basically hack on the things that we heard and learned during the day.

s751
00:46:05.839 --> 00:46:09.520
So just recognize that it's different than what you see inside these four walls.

s752
00:46:09.520 --> 00:46:12.720
Uh there's a lot of other stuff that at least one organization is doing with it.

s753
00:46:12.720 --> 00:46:14.160
So thanks for being part of it.

s754
00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:19.839
Um I just want to applaud the part where you were u the leadership track is significantly better this year really

s755
00:46:19.839 --> 00:46:20.800
has been previously.

s756
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.119
Um like content fantastic I think.

s757
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.119
Um

s758
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:27.200
voice opinion of one.

s759
00:46:27.200 --> 00:46:30.880
Can you can you call out uh sessions that you felt like made it?

s760
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:45.760
Um not in particular, but they um in previous years it has felt more salesy or um hungry for relevance and uh we have people who are just legitimately doing awesome things who are able to get up and talk and speak credibly about it.

s761
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:49.680
Um I I was just very impressed by that and it's actually it is more than opinion of one.

s762
00:46:49.680 --> 00:46:52.240
I heard that from several other people as well.

s763
00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:56.480
Can I just say [clears throat] um I had nothing to do with that.

s764
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.160
I cannot take credit for any of it.

s765
00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:04.560
It is simply that we are we have been around longer therefore people have heard of us therefore they come forward.

s766
00:47:04.560 --> 00:47:05.520
It's all inbound.

s767
00:47:05.520 --> 00:47:08.319
We didn't really I mean I solicited some of them

s768
00:47:08.319 --> 00:47:12.000
but most of it it is people stepping up saying I have something to share.

s769
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:12.400
Yeah.

s770
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.839
Because we've been around enough that like we're established now.

s771
00:47:15.839 --> 00:47:16.079
Yeah.

s772
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.640
Well something must be working right for that to happen.

s773
00:47:18.640 --> 00:47:23.839
Um in the I think the very first year there was some kind of birds of a feather concept where you would sort of set

s774
00:47:23.839 --> 00:47:24.079
Yeah.

s775
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:24.720
table topics.

s776
00:47:24.720 --> 00:47:25.200
Yeah.

s777
00:47:25.200 --> 00:47:25.760
Table topics.

s778
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:26.160
That's right.

s779
00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:35.280
And it sound kind of similar to what you were talking about maybe doing in the future as part of the leadership track or a second content uh expo area.

s780
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:36.880
Oo.

s781
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:38.079
Uh [clears throat] maybe

s782
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.400
the idea of going and participating.

s783
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:40.640
Yeah.

s784
00:47:40.640 --> 00:47:43.920
And not rather than just listening to participate

s785
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.160
time place on a topic uh is

s786
00:47:46.160 --> 00:47:48.480
I mean it's like what it is is unconference, right?

s787
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:49.280
Have you

s788
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:50.079
have you been to one?

s789
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:51.119
Do you like it?

s790
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.000
Um it's been a decade or something but yeah.

s791
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.079
So [clears throat] people want us to do an unconference.

s792
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.040
The problem is I worry that we don't sell tickets.

s793
00:47:59.040 --> 00:48:00.319
If

s794
00:48:00.319 --> 00:48:02.720
you come and you don't have any speakers but yourselves.

s795
00:48:02.720 --> 00:48:02.960
Yeah.

s796
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.400
I I wouldn't go if that was it.

s797
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.599
I'm just saying that like there's room in there.

s798
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.839
Uh I would find that compelling at some point to wrap as a a thing a niche.

s799
00:48:11.839 --> 00:48:12.319
Yes.

s800
00:48:12.319 --> 00:48:13.760
Uh yeah.

s801
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.200
May maybe it's different from what you were envisioning with the cont.

s802
00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:29.839
look like um okay especially for the leaders we do actually want maybe next year maybe the year after I don't know to do a dedicated leadership retreat uh like only leadership

s803
00:48:29.839 --> 00:48:41.520
go away to like a some Napa or something and sit down for a weekend uh to me there I can do the unconference there I can do the off off the record chats I think there will be a market for that

s804
00:48:41.520 --> 00:48:55.200
um yeah I mean but at these things content is king we want to get as much good work online as possible um well produced with with these guys and

s805
00:48:55.200 --> 00:48:57.920
uh for you to meet the speakers in person.

s806
00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:58.559
Yeah.

s807
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:08.559
Uh the the last thing I was going to share is um and you don't really have to react to this, but just um over the years of you know for a long time we've had things like South by Southwest

s808
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.160
that started out scrappy and with a certain vibe and eventually the the ratio of

s809
00:49:14.160 --> 00:49:20.720
uh sport coats to hoodies started to take over and that will naturally happen in in every place that becomes successful like this.

s810
00:49:20.720 --> 00:49:23.040
Um a little bit of me is going to be sad when that happens.

s811
00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:26.000
So I I really appreciate the heart and soul that you put into all this.

s812
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:30.800
Do you don't you notice it's gotten more uh chill?

s813
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.720
I I So, okay though, uh my index for this

s814
00:49:34.720 --> 00:49:36.000
I don't think it's happened yet.

s815
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.280
My index for this is number of people wearing costumes,

s816
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:39.760
right?

s817
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:41.040
We had two orcs.

s818
00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:41.520
Yeah.

s819
00:49:41.520 --> 00:49:42.640
Walking around.

s820
00:49:42.640 --> 00:49:43.200
Okay.

s821
00:49:43.200 --> 00:49:45.760
We had a guy in a T-Rex suit.

s822
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.920
We had the mother duck ducks outside.

s823
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:49.839
I don't know if you saw saw the ducks.

s824
00:49:49.839 --> 00:49:52.000
Uh we had a we had a shark.

s825
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.400
Um, so the the the the costume index, there's been three Worlds Fair.

s826
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:02.480
The costume index was two in the first World's Fair, zero in the last year, and then now it's like nine.

s827
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.520
Um, so I think we're going in the right direction.

s828
00:50:05.520 --> 00:50:09.839
We had I mean, okay, then we get a bunch of free costumes with the the flash mob.

s829
00:50:09.839 --> 00:50:10.800
Did you see the flash mob?

s830
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.359
I didn't.

s831
00:50:11.359 --> 00:50:12.319
Oh my god.

s832
00:50:12.319 --> 00:50:14.000
Uh, yeah.

s833
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:20.160
Anyway, I want to be I told uh Eve, we had Eve, the head of design for Y Combinator, speak at the design track.

s834
00:50:20.160 --> 00:50:28.480
I was like, I want to be the conference where you would do things that would be unprofessional in the other ones, but it fits here because it has the community vibe because you can be yourself.

s835
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:29.200
That's fantastic.

s836
00:50:29.200 --> 00:50:34.880
Uh so yeah, I mean to some extent like you know I will not run AIE forever.

s837
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:42.400
Uh but I think if we set the community expectation um that uh you know that that this is what we do.

s838
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:43.839
It's like Comic-Con.

s839
00:50:43.839 --> 00:50:52.000
Comic-Con has like you know there still you still have people it hasn't been taken over by the suits and I think that is important.

s840
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.000
We do still want to serve the suits.

s841
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.000
I think there's a there's a place for them.

s842
00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.850
Uh but there's you know a floor of the Mosone separating the suits from the here.

s843
00:51:00.850 --> 00:51:00.960
[laughter]

s844
00:51:00.960 --> 00:51:03.119
I think that's okay.

s845
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:03.599
Yeah.

s846
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.440
Um what else can I say about that?

s847
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.119
Vibe and culture.

s848
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:26.079
I think um one of the most important things in our CFP application uh the application to speak is we have all these tracks that we are interested in but the last thing in the track is my talk is weird and doesn't fit

s849
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:40.640
and I always want to be have a place for weird stuff and so um Eric Meyer's talk from last night came from came from that John Auster's stuff came from that sometimes you just have a you really want to just

s850
00:51:40.640 --> 00:51:47.440
share and it doesn't fit yet, but if it's cool, uh we'll try to give it a platform and a place.

s851
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.960
Uh kind of on that note, I had a question about uh speakers.

s852
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:52.400
So that's why I'm here.

s853
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.040
I think that the speakers, the quality of speakers you are able to assemble here is amazing.

s854
00:51:57.040 --> 00:52:09.920
Um I I applied my whole team as speakers and so like five applications total and I was I was accepted for the remote track and I guess in short I'm I'm a little bit almost like buttth hurt that my teammates who

s855
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:21.920
we work in spatial reasoning and have a a a product for home builders that just raised series C where we have uh paying customers using novel computer vision and uh spatial intelligence tools that are

s856
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.559
um the first time that's been done in architecture.

s857
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.839
And I wanted to ask like in in the applications like these guys who I I submitted their applications.

s858
00:52:29.839 --> 00:52:30.880
They're not Twitter famous.

s859
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.400
Um they're not from Silicon Valley.

s860
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:35.839
They're architects turned PhD machine learning engineers.

s861
00:52:35.839 --> 00:52:42.640
How can I better like tell their story in the application to get a better chance of them getting picked up to speak on that stuff?

s862
00:52:42.640 --> 00:52:48.319
Uh uh so again I'm sorry for not uh that we can't select everybody.

s863
00:52:48.319 --> 00:52:52.480
Um you were weightlisted or you were selected for online.

s864
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:54.480
Uh let's for online.

s865
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:54.800
Yeah.

s866
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:55.200
Yeah.

s867
00:52:55.200 --> 00:53:01.200
Uh so uh you know we we had two 2200 applications for effectively 300 spots.

s868
00:53:01.200 --> 00:53:06.319
Um and all of those 300 spots we had to we also invited people.

s869
00:53:06.319 --> 00:53:09.520
It's not just all uh people that come in through the CFP.

s870
00:53:09.520 --> 00:53:11.520
So basically it's very very competitive.

s871
00:53:11.520 --> 00:53:16.400
We can't accept everybody that like does meaningful work because there there's just there's too many.

s872
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:32.880
Um I will say I think um being somewhat frontier being uh uh being unique in the application um that happens to tie it to a broader trend that we can tell

s873
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:34.720
um does help it more.

s874
00:53:34.720 --> 00:53:41.680
I don't know if um I don't know if that directly applies to your situation.

s875
00:53:41.680 --> 00:53:42.000
Yeah.

s876
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:52.319
Because basically there there's a lot of like early stage companies that have re revenue that h they have innovative things and we only have 10 talks in the vision track.

s877
00:53:52.319 --> 00:53:52.800
Yeah.

s878
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:53.280
Right.

s879
00:53:53.280 --> 00:54:00.079
And some of that immediately goes to people with proprietary models like the perceptron talk uh that we have there.

s880
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:06.079
Uh and some of them goes go to leading companies that are somewhat Twitter famous because that puts that puts butts in seats.

s881
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:06.400
Yeah.

s882
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:08.559
Then we have some leftover for

s883
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.960
well people who like let's let's see how they do.

s884
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:11.440
Uhhuh.

s885
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:25.920
So, the better you can guarantee the review committee, I'm on every committee, but then uh I work with uh reviewers that that we trust, usually past speakers, um to to to vet and and and

s886
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.760
vote on on who should be in.

s887
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.880
Um if you can guarantee that this will be a banger basically.

s888
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:31.040
Yeah.

s889
00:54:31.040 --> 00:54:31.280
Yeah.

s890
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:31.680
Yeah.

s891
00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:33.200
Uh then that would be great.

s892
00:54:33.200 --> 00:54:37.760
Uh that's why we often that's why that's why um applications are not blind.

s893
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.400
We do encourage you to submit prior talks.

s894
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:40.720
Yeah.

s895
00:54:40.720 --> 00:54:42.800
and we do watch the talks

s896
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:47.200
and if we go this guy is really goddamn good, we'll fight for you.

s897
00:54:47.200 --> 00:54:48.160
That's what I was going to ask too.

s898
00:54:48.160 --> 00:54:51.599
So it like let's say for next year that's a good goal to try and like just

s899
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.480
have have talks recorded at other meetups, other conferences

s900
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:58.800
and like some proof of like even if it it doesn't have a thousand views doesn't matter.

s901
00:54:58.800 --> 00:54:59.119
Yeah.

s902
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:04.480
But like I watch you like you're com you're you're you know how to do a good conference talk.

s903
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:06.160
We have that quality filter here.

s904
00:55:06.160 --> 00:55:08.640
It's a it's a very high bar to be here.

s905
00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:08.960
Yes.

s906
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:10.000
It's a lossy bar.

s907
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.319
Like some people get through that should not get through.

s908
00:55:12.319 --> 00:55:13.200
I know.

s909
00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:16.079
Um but mostly we're known for having a very high bar.

s910
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.800
So try to just remove all doubt that you meet that bar

s911
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.000
and you'll be in.

s912
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:22.400
Awesome.

s913
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:23.200
Thanks a lot.

s914
00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:24.960
Anybody else?

s915
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:39.440
Um so uh first of all I want to just thank you because I am attending because I um submitted a demo to the ACM agents project uh agents and um agentic systems conference and

s916
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:52.480
uh we're able to um and I I I wanted to just comment that I think it's great that you were able to um provide access to this conference for students and for academics and people who are kind of doing that.

s917
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:52.960
Um

s918
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:53.599
thank you.

s919
00:55:53.599 --> 00:56:03.119
The more you can do that, I think the better because a lot of the people who were in that when I was attending that meeting, a lot of the people who were there were just these young, brighteyed,

s920
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:06.880
really excited people who are just starting their careers.

s921
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:10.319
They're doing some really interesting stuff from a conceptual point of view.

s922
00:56:10.319 --> 00:56:21.440
And I I think that um having a little bit more of that in the community may also be just a good you know um catalyst to get things moving to kind of get things get

s923
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:22.000
Yeah.

s924
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:23.280
Um thank you for saying that.

s925
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:36.000
Uh I was this is the first year that we've done the poster sessions um so AIE was started kind of in opposition to new CML clear uh because we basically wanted to do everything that they don't do.

s926
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:42.640
for example, don't cut off submissions six months before the the conference date because that guarantees everything's out of date.

s927
00:56:42.640 --> 00:56:53.440
Um, but we want to bring academ academic academia to industry uh in the same way that Nurus brings industry to academia and I think uh there is a lot of synergy there.

s928
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.240
Kais was just the easiest to work with by far.

s929
00:56:56.240 --> 00:56:58.079
Uh so we have this partnership.

s930
00:56:58.079 --> 00:56:59.520
It's very it's been very successful.

s931
00:56:59.520 --> 00:57:03.440
We've been invited back to Kais and Kais has been invited back to us.

s932
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:04.400
So we keep going.

s933
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:18.319
Um I think the the just the question is like well okay this one we just use KAS as our selection process right we didn't do any selection whatsoever we're just like we just outsource it but at some point we're going to have a peer review process

s934
00:57:18.319 --> 00:57:28.720
um I've been introduced to the ACM presidents uh do we start publishing our own journal to give people a publication spot I think to some extent um I like that we are not accredited

s935
00:57:28.720 --> 00:57:34.480
because that means that nobody breaks any exclusivity rules by presenting here because they can just double present event.

s936
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:36.240
If they're already in the Bay Area, that's good.

s937
00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:39.920
Uh if they just want to double dip on their work, uh and present in front of an industry audience, that's good.

s938
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:43.599
Uh and yes, I like the the energy of the students.

s939
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.799
Uh because a lot of people actually want to hire them.

s940
00:57:46.799 --> 00:57:52.880
Uh so, uh Worlds Fair is basically the only place I can do this because I have the real estate.

s941
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:56.960
Uh and so we'll we'll try to do it more, but I I think it was relatively successful this time.

s942
00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:57.359
Absolutely.

s943
00:57:57.359 --> 00:57:59.520
Thank you.

s944
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:04.240
Uh that might be it.

s945
00:58:04.240 --> 00:58:07.440
We have the AIE Singapore team that just came in.

s946
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.599
Uh they also did the networking app.

s947
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:11.119
Some of you asked about the networking app.

s948
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:11.839
It's him.

s949
00:58:11.839 --> 00:58:14.319
Uh it's it's Sharina Grim.

s950
00:58:14.319 --> 00:58:16.880
Uh otherwise I think that is it.

s951
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.839
I'm going to call it and I have to go and do the startup battlefield.

s952
00:58:19.839 --> 00:58:21.520
But thank you so much for coming.

s953
00:58:21.520 --> 00:58:23.760
Come back next year.

s954
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.760
Hey